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> If some people are poorer than you, you are not the bad guy This is completely missing all the reasons people say rich people are the "bad guys".
Just Be Rich (2021)
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#13Multiple replies merged into one because of HN's post rate limit. I pulled myself up by my bootstraps once and now I'm the richest person alive. Paul Graham is forced to appear non-scientific because there is no science, that justifies our current economic conditions. There's the whole field of economics, sure, but that only studies what does happen in our current economy, not how we should run an economy. The only t…
but there is.
lots and lots and manipulation and misdirection honed thru the ages and written in plain view in traditions and old symbols.
there's a reason old lord of the mannors had dog and horse breeds on their walls, while having power of who marries who on their domains. but modern science will never touch those points. still, there's lot of science on why you agree to the boom bust cycle and all that.
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#14Not using a throwaway, and agreeing in principle: Paul Graham appears here oddly non-scientific.
Oddly? His essays are regularly thinly-veiled excuses to peddle libertarian horse shit I thought Hackers and Painters was decent and even in those essays Paul couldn’t help him self
The difference between a lot of hackers now and PG isnt talent, it is that someone was making a good website when the internet pretty much was empty lol. Google was still a baby compared to yahoo.
edit: since i was pretty negative here, i will sing some praise.
Graham is incredibly technologically capable, knows what problems are worth investing in, and is great at leading people. Those qualities are great, and he is a world star at it.
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#15Noahopinion has a very recent interesting article on wealth and taxation. It makes me mad because it contradicts a lot of cherished ideas I have about the rich and taxation, but probably makes sense in this conversation: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/theres-not-that-much-wealth-in...
Wealth is unelected power, a bug. It’s reasonable to say there should be limits on wealth, considering most wealthy people were lucky (either by birth or “right place right time”) but attempt to post rationalize it as anything else. Would you want someone who won a lottery ticket to have power over your life at scale? Because that’s what excess wealth is, a power dynamic powered by a suboptimal system masquerading as…
As for your question lottery winner having the power proportional to his money, is much better than bureaucrats having power to take anyone's money.
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#16By the way, I don't know the answer to this. I myself am a landlord. But if we're getting into morality, let's fully examine this.
11.5% of Americans are below the poverty line. The same economic system that makes is possible to become rich enforces a roughly 5% unemployment rate. This unemployment rate is necessary to prevent a wage price spiral. There are people who are paid a lot of money (Federal Reserve), whose job it is to pull levers and turn dials until the unemployment rate is at that magic 5%. They actively ensure people can't make a living, to allow you the chance to accumulate wealth.
You may not be directly responsible for their poverty– but their poverty makes your accumulation of wealth possible. Without a 5% unemployment rate, the delicate balance of the economy cascades into oblivion in a wage-price spiral.
So here's my moral question– do you then owe them anything? Do you owe society anything?
Maybe there is something wrong with "just being rich" if you don't attempt to use some of your money for the betterment of your community and society that is actively made worse to allow you to get rich.
If you want to get rich, get rich. But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's morally good. It can be, but it's probably not. Because it's probably at the expense of others in some direct or indirect way.
By the way I'm pulling punches here. This is a very gentle response to try and get you to think differently about your ethics.
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If you're the sort of person that always needs to feel morally right, then I would say getting rich probably isn't for you. Any moral argument you can come up to protect your ego would be fragile, and easily undone.
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#17Not only are the poor poorer but now they feel like crap from the tech social media dystopia they inhabit.
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#18Noahopinion has a very recent interesting article on wealth and taxation. It makes me mad because it contradicts a lot of cherished ideas I have about the rich and taxation, but probably makes sense in this conversation: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/theres-not-that-much-wealth-in...
Wealth is unelected power, a bug. It’s reasonable to say there should be limits on wealth, considering most wealthy people were lucky (either by birth or “right place right time”) but attempt to post rationalize it as anything else. Would you want someone who won a lottery ticket to have power over your life at scale? Because that’s what excess wealth is, a power dynamic powered by a suboptimal system masquerading as…
Many of the duplexes in town were built by small builders who passed them on to family.
Now they are treated like rich landowners but in reality grandpa built the wealth.
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#19Noahopinion has a very recent interesting article on wealth and taxation. It makes me mad because it contradicts a lot of cherished ideas I have about the rich and taxation, but probably makes sense in this conversation: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/theres-not-that-much-wealth-in...
> The wealth of America’s billionaires was estimated at around $5.2 trillion in 2023, while federal government spending was about $6.4 trillion. Confiscating every last penny from Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and all the other billionaires wouldn’t fund the U.S. government for one year. And of course you could only do it once.
Ok so just 750 persons can replace all form of taxation in the USA that's incredible. It's not like just replacing taxes from all 330m persons but all the companies too ...
And the USA budget is not the most efficient per capita (something around 20k ?), if you do the same for France you are closer to 6k.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wealth is unelected power, a bug. It’s reasonable to say there should be limits on wealth, considering most wealthy people were lucky (either by birth or “right place right time”) but attempt to post rationalize it as anything else. Would you want someone who won a lottery ticket to have power over your life at scale? Because that’s what excess wealth is, a power dynamic powered by a suboptimal system masquerading as…
What about wealth you build for yourself ? Many of the duplexes in town were built by small builders who passed them on to family. Now they are treated like rich landowners but in reality grandpa built the wealth.