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California Grid Breezes Through Heatwave with Batteries

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Post by toomuchtodo »

_Microft wrote: post #9
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Batteries charge for free when renewables push spot prices to zero or negative and discharge when most needed and getting paid to do so; they comin’ for fossil gas generation that pays to burn (fuel) and spin (per hour O&M).

They might even be paid for consuming power because that provides stability to the grid [0] in such a situation. Too little load causes the frequency on the grid to rise which is only acceptable within narrow limits. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancillary_services_(electric_p...

Absolutely, there is no doubt that are stealing grid service revenue from spinning thermal, and they also provide black start services (jump starting larger generators when they go out through an isolated transmission path).

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Post by baq »

gretch wrote: post #7
wumeow wrote: post #3

Compare and contrast with Texas.

Why? Why does this new innovation in the california grid have to be all about dunking on texas? (As a californian) It's especially annoying coming from anyone californian, the state of Enron and PGE wildfires. Like we are so caught up in the vanity of comparison that we quickly rush to forgive our past sins while condemning the mistakes of others for forever and ever. How about as technologists, we just focus on inno…

I’m in Europe and I can pick on Texas all day on energy. The separate grid is a self-inflicted gunshot wound in both feet.

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Post by spacedcowboy »

baq wrote: post #12
gretch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Why does this new innovation in the california grid have to be all about dunking on texas? (As a californian) It's especially annoying coming from anyone californian, the state of Enron and PGE wildfires. Like we are so caught up in the vanity of comparison that we quickly rush to forgive our past sins while condemning the mistakes of others for forever and ever. How about as technologists, we just focus on inno…

I’m in Europe and I can pick on Texas all day on energy. The separate grid is a self-inflicted gunshot wound in both feet.

Well, they do like their guns in Texas

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Post by hinkley »

z_rex wrote: post #10

I work in the power generation industry. The large scale introduction of Battery Storage is going to be a game changer for renewables since it will allow overproduction during the day to be stored for the evening peak. I think the current fad of peaking plants is somewhat overblown, as the average large scale battery storage system will not face the issues with starting reliability that can be present on large gas tu…

Won’t it also be useful for power transportation as well? Since batteries on the usage side of a bottleneck can peak shave and trough fill to levellize the load?

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Post by bravetraveler »

baq wrote: post #12
gretch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Why does this new innovation in the california grid have to be all about dunking on texas? (As a californian) It's especially annoying coming from anyone californian, the state of Enron and PGE wildfires. Like we are so caught up in the vanity of comparison that we quickly rush to forgive our past sins while condemning the mistakes of others for forever and ever. How about as technologists, we just focus on inno…

I’m in Europe and I can pick on Texas all day on energy. The separate grid is a self-inflicted gunshot wound in both feet.

I live in Texas and support your message. We get cheap power and have cheap results [under stress] to show for it, repeatedly

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Post by jeffbee »

kccqzy wrote: post #13
wumeow wrote: post #3

Compare and contrast with Texas.

Texas is the number two state in grid battery. No other state comes close to either California or Texas.

Texas has added a massive amount of batteries in a year or two. Worth noting, however, that as a fraction of their peak load California has about 3x as many batteries as Texas, because Texas uses far more energy and has much less rooftop solar. So while they are in the 2nd position it seems like a fairly distant 2nd.

Re: California Grid Breezes Through Heatwave with Batteries

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Post by tuetnsuppe »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #8

Batteries are absolutely destroying demand for natural gas in California: https://reneweconomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/calif...

How does this graph consider that 2024 isn’t over, yet, unlike the other years? Otherwise looks promising.

Edit: just saw this is only for April of each year. But similar question: can we extrapolate from April to say November or not?

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