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Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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Zulip is a pretty nice option https://zulip.com/

The idea behind Zulip is great, but the UI is horrible. (Slow, clunky, ugly) Developers can put up with it, but regular people will hate it.

I agree the slowness is a deal breaker. (Note: I tested it out a few years ago, but never went beyond that prototyping phase)

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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Zulip is a pretty nice option https://zulip.com/

Thoughts on this comment about it? https://programming.dev/comment/11056421

All they really say about Zulip is "it's just another corporate messenger". I don't really have much to say about that.

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me an old fashioned forum would be something like phpBB. Discourse-style forums are relatively new and IMHO much worse in terms of UI. I really don't get the appeal.

What don't you like about Discourse? I grew up in the phpbb/vBulletin era, and even back then it was a common complaint when Discourse first came out. Never quite understood the hate myself, but I'd love to hear your thoughts?

To give a concrete example of what others are saying and why I also really do not like discourse, the performance issues in combination with other bugs and limitations makes it extremely clunky for large threads. Go to something like [0] and try searching for a piece of text. In both Firefox and chrome, the discourse search box totally breaks for me: I can navigate to the first result, but after that future attempts to bring the search box up fail unless I go back to the original link and search again (ie remove the comment id suffix from url). The native browser search of course is not sufficient because 90% of the thread is not loaded, and the lack of proper pagination makes it hard to search with external engines. After a few months of frustration I finally learned about the hidden /print endpoint to dump the thread into a single page which helps, but still does not give me warm fuzzies about discourse.

I already prefer native browser search and proper pagination instead of loading the page on-demand, but if none of these bugs existed, I could at least tolerate the decisions. Given the bugs though, these design choices really grind my gears in a special way.

0: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-test-autoinstalls-for-...

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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I'd also say Matrix, as this is where the most communities are today that are not on propietary platforms. Although the UX is not that great, when logging in via a new device, as it takes long to do the first sync (the new syncv3 protocol is supposed to fix this but it's still in beta) A direct Slack alternative would be mattermost. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

matrix is like IRC + obligatory GPG.

most new users keep losing identity because they have no idea they are using vector.im as their "nicksrv" of sorts and that their recovery code and password are not their session key. it's a disaster.

but having webapp and phone apps help adoption.

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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I'd also say Matrix, as this is where the most communities are today that are not on propietary platforms. Although the UX is not that great, when logging in via a new device, as it takes long to do the first sync (the new syncv3 protocol is supposed to fix this but it's still in beta) A direct Slack alternative would be mattermost. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

matrix is like IRC + obligatory GPG. most new users keep losing identity because they have no idea they are using vector.im as their "nicksrv" of sorts and that their recovery code and password are not their session key. it's a disaster. but having webapp and phone apps help adoption.

this is very very confused.

the key you use in Matrix to get at your historical messages /is/ your security passphrase/key (assuming you set it up).

the vector.im identity server is just a phonebook to let people discover you based on email address if you so desire.

the UX in Element is clearly a disaster, given nightmarish confusions like this. we have tried to fix it in Element X and stuff like https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/and... which is looking promising

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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I'd also say Matrix, as this is where the most communities are today that are not on propietary platforms. Although the UX is not that great, when logging in via a new device, as it takes long to do the first sync (the new syncv3 protocol is supposed to fix this but it's still in beta) A direct Slack alternative would be mattermost. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

matrix is like IRC + obligatory GPG. most new users keep losing identity because they have no idea they are using vector.im as their "nicksrv" of sorts and that their recovery code and password are not their session key. it's a disaster. but having webapp and phone apps help adoption.

IRC is very lightweight. Matrix feels rather at the other end of the spectrum. The IRC protocol is very simple. Matrix feels very complicated.

Re: Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?

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Saw that another user linked to Hall (https://usehall.com).

I'm the founder and we're building a customer community platform exactly for the use case you describe.

Our focus is on a simple and intuitive user experience that is familiar to non-technical end-users. We've also tried to make it as frictionless for them to sign up and start contributing (nothing to download, passwordless sign up and login). You also maintain full control and data ownership of your users (unless Discord).

Keen to hear any feedback, and why / why not if what we've built would work for you?

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