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Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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I'm curious if this is demonstrably an optimal strategy for individual investment too... I haven't had much success getting any clear data about whether active management demonstrably produces better results.

The catch 22 for active management is that if they are actually good then they would just use their strategies to manage their own money.

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Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a higher dispersion with active managers (greater chance of extreme negative or positive outcome), which is not desirable. some people prefer the chance to win the lottery rather than get a steady income stream.

Except this is a myth. You will not win the lottery without taking crazy amounts of risk. The active managers who do beat a major index for a long, long time almost do not exist in retail space, and they beat the market by a tiny amount (~1%). In my era Legg Mason was the most famous, but even they fell too.

How does that explain Warren Buffet’s spectacular success?

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Fidelity: Successful investors forget they have an account: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146347

In crypto, successful investors get their funds stolen and then later recovered (MtGox, Gemini Earn)

Or go to jail and only get to sell on their release

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Fidelity: Successful investors forget they have an account: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146347

Until it gets liquidated and the cash put into state lost money accounts because of escheatment rules. You should still login once a quarter or so.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/110415/what-are-dor...

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Fidelity: Successful investors forget they have an account: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146347

In crypto, successful investors get their funds stolen and then later recovered (MtGox, Gemini Earn)

Mine were just stolen by the government and not given back. Btc-e.

I’m not bitter or anything.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this is a myth. You will not win the lottery without taking crazy amounts of risk. The active managers who do beat a major index for a long, long time almost do not exist in retail space, and they beat the market by a tiny amount (~1%). In my era Legg Mason was the most famous, but even they fell too.

How does that explain Warren Buffet’s spectacular success?

When you own one billionth of a company you are just along for the ride. When you buy a 10% or more stake you can influence the running of the company. Another aspect is he has offered liquidity to distressed companies like GE and got richly rewarded for it with favorable terms.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this is a myth. You will not win the lottery without taking crazy amounts of risk. The active managers who do beat a major index for a long, long time almost do not exist in retail space, and they beat the market by a tiny amount (~1%). In my era Legg Mason was the most famous, but even they fell too.

How does that explain Warren Buffet’s spectacular success?

Someone with Buffet's success should exist by random chance. (Flip a fair coin enough times and it will come up heads 20 times in a row.)

Also, some fraction of Buffet's success comes from deals that the rest of us don't have access to.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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I'm curious if this is demonstrably an optimal strategy for individual investment too... I haven't had much success getting any clear data about whether active management demonstrably produces better results.

It's sort of self evident - if you are freakishly capable of spotting mispriced securities in a market full of smart hard working people who are paying attention, you can do better than average. If you aren't freakishly capable... you cant. It's sort of like "does playing pro golf make sense?".

There’s an interesting corollary to this. There’s some evidence that low-volatility strategies can outperform, at least when not using leverage. My working theory is that it is due to an overconfidence bias. People who actively trade assume they can pick better stocks, or else they wouldn’t trade. This manifested in more volume in high-beta stocks, leaving low beta stocks undervalued.

Re: Nevada’s public employee pension fund invests passively and beats peers (2016)

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I'm curious if this is demonstrably an optimal strategy for individual investment too... I haven't had much success getting any clear data about whether active management demonstrably produces better results.

But why stress about beating the market? Just be the market with an ETF that tracks the S&P 500 index. Literally, setup auto invest from your paycheck. Go to sleep (Rip van Winkel style). Wake up 40 years later and retire comfortably. Look at total returns over the last 40 years on the most popular indices in the world. S&P 500 crushes them all. I see a lot of "Internet advice" recommending various MSCI world indices…

Sometimes I wonder whether ETFs that track top valuation will lead to some weird stickyness and overvaluation in say, S&P500.
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