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Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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I’m surprised people still live in that area. The aftermath of Harvey in 2017 would have been the eye opener. Yet the area sees a massive influx of residents every year [1] Any area near coast line is going to disappear over the next couple of decades due to climate change. [1] https://www.axios.com/local/houston/2024/03/19/texas-populat...

Houston isn’t particularly near the coast, believe it or not. And the flood control infrastructure has been dramatically improved since Harvey. This occurrence seems to be a failure of the local transmission and distribution monopoly.

I grew up with a Houston mailing address and was less than 5mi from the water.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Berlin also has the advantage, being generous on “advantage”, of being completely rebuilt about 70 years ago.

When did the explosion of Houston's size and city take place? pre- or post 1945?

A wave in the 60’s for oil & space, then more burbs and exurbs when the bible belters migrated to TX in the 80’s.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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There was a pretty bad flooding event portrayed in the documentary movie San Andreas. https://youtu.be/jvIGFhqbe0c?si=ZCaVjWjw-oi84HgD&t=1m39s

You're calling it a "documentary movie"?

Just because he didn't add /s doesn't mean it's not implied

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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The elevation of Houston is _higher_ than the elevation of SF. Yes, there are many hills, and the _max_ elevation is obviously higher, but there are also plenty of low lying areas and areas at sea level.

Nonetheless, there are no recorded instances of large storm-induced floods in the SFBay area that I'm aware of. Do you know of any? Fires, earthquakes, heavy rains causing mudslides that have actually killed people: yes. Some very localized flooding around the Russian River happens all the time. The Guadalupe River in San Jose flooded a few years ago. But storm surge from the ocean? nope, nope.

Nah, I was just pushing back on the notion that Houston is that much “lower” than SF, when it is not. Wild to get downvoted for that factual statement.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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The elevation of Houston is _higher_ than the elevation of SF. Yes, there are many hills, and the _max_ elevation is obviously higher, but there are also plenty of low lying areas and areas at sea level.

Hills make a huge difference impeding winds across the land, storm water drains much faster. Has a hurricane ever hit San Francisco? It’s not a real comparison, typhoons in the area, to a direct hurricane. It’s also extremely expensive to mitigate, maybe it should be done, but the GP was hand waving it all away. Commenter even “disagreed from experience” and then cited a totally different experience.

True, but none of that contradicts what I said.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Did you read OP's post?

Yes. I am also familiar with the technical challenges and cost of improving last mile electrical distribution to withstand hurricane force conditions where burial is not an option (whether because of a high water table or potential surge conditions, where equipment is suspended at a height above ground level on permanent scaffolding or pedestals). It is expensive, not impossible. It is a choice, and there is a cost.…

Citations:

https://www.marketplace.org/2024/07/12/texas-power-grid-hous...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036054422...

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/ar...

https://www.osti.gov/biblio/1558514

https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/060624_GD...

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/why-cant-texas-bu...

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Texans basically should view grid independent home solar as a minimum requirement. Between this and the ice storm s couple years ago Texas has shown itself incapable of utility grade service. In general I think the disaster resilience afforded by home solar is simply not valued enough by subsidies and incentives policies.

Texas is a highly urbanized state and a significant number of families don't have the ability to install home solar, so it cannot be viewed as 'minimum requirement' and some other solution is neccesary.

In my country the price of roof mount solar is now under €2000 for 10kWp. That includes government subsidies, however they are not that high (€350 per kWp).

Texas is a much richer economy than where I live, so I see no reason why it couldn't be a requirement, at least for single family homes.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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You're calling it a "documentary movie"?

Just because he didn't add /s doesn't mean it's not implied

you never know what someone thinks /s. There's another guy here claiming there are supernatural phenomena.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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I was there last weekend & for the day of the hurricane. This was just a cat 1 hurricane at the time it passed through Houston, and there was SO much damage. I can't imagine the city is remotely prepared for (god forbid, and idk how likely it is that far inland anyway) a cat 4 or 5. We were staying in a hotel that had a backup generator, but every single other building that was visible from our hotel had lost power d…

This wasn't a "grid issue." It is a last-mile issue. It's specifically an issue with the sheer amount of above ground power lines and population density. There is no easy fix, preparation, or practically anything else that can be done to prevent something like this. Plus, what causes the same amount of power outages (wind damage) isn't going to be different between 90mph winds and 150 mph winds. The effects are going…

Why doesn’t Tokyo, which almost entirely relies on above ground power cables and gets hit with strong typhoons every year, not experience these problems? What makes the Houston situation so hopeless?

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Visited NYC several times. Metro was unbearable in summer because trains heated up outside and blasted the warm air into tunnels and stations through AC.

AC doesn't really create heat though, aside from minor amounts from the compressor/fan motors, it merely moves it from inside to outside, or into the metro stations as you mention.

The HVAC fan alone in a surban house can draw 1KW. That’s pretty much all heat.

The AC cools the house at the cost of many more KW.

The house gets cooler but this is all heat from the electrical usage.

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