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Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Why is Texas infrastructure so brittle? It’s a wealthy, prosperous state unencumbered by regulation or legacy stuff that tends to cause issues in other states.

We had a power outage in March for like 4 days, that spanned the entire city of Montreal last year. We were lucky the weather was pretty warm. This type of stuff just happens sometimes.

We also had a 2 weeks long power outage 20 years ago. Again, in Quebec

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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I disagree, and I speak from experience. We've been repeatedly hit by climate-change induced typhoons here (near the SF Bay Area), and hurricane-force gusts hit both of the last two years. Our area looses a lot of roads to mudslides, and of course we have extended power outages. Having said that, the first year, PG&E only delivered one nine of availability last year, and this year, they're closer to two nines. The di…

What are climate-change induced typhoons? How are those quantified?

I also wondered this. How do you tell the difference between a climate change induced typhoon and the alternative? Maybe its obvious to the down voters, but you have at least two people here you could potentially teach something to.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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This wasn't a "grid issue." It is a last-mile issue. It's specifically an issue with the sheer amount of above ground power lines and population density. There is no easy fix, preparation, or practically anything else that can be done to prevent something like this. Plus, what causes the same amount of power outages (wind damage) isn't going to be different between 90mph winds and 150 mph winds. The effects are going…

I disagree, and I speak from experience. We've been repeatedly hit by climate-change induced typhoons here (near the SF Bay Area), and hurricane-force gusts hit both of the last two years. Our area looses a lot of roads to mudslides, and of course we have extended power outages. Having said that, the first year, PG&E only delivered one nine of availability last year, and this year, they're closer to two nines. The di…

> So, for a Cat-1 to be as bad as it is in Texas, I assume the issue there is the same as here in California

The CEO of Centerpoint was the CFO of PG&E and the CFO of Centerpoint came from PG&E as well. So you're more right than you know!

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

#264

Deregulation is a terrible idea for life supporting and necessary utilities, power specifically. By deregulating the market, everyone is forced to compete for a finite amount of transmission ability for low profits, each one trying to undercut the other IMO. It completely destabilized the Texas power market. At this point, it may be worth considering putting the Texas power grid into some type of federal receivership…

I think this is just confirmation bias. We have plenty of power outages, some that last longer than this (the 1998 ice storm in Quebec took down the power for weeks). Last year we were out of power for 4 days, again right in the middle of Montreal. It just seems like HN likes to see stories about the Texas power grid, since I don't even remember a story about Montreal's outage last year hitting the front page for long.

I don't think anyone could argue that Quebec has a deregulated power grid, it's the complete opposite in fact. Power generation, distribution, and last mile connections are all nationalized.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

#265

Germany has overengineered and expensive utilities, but I'm happy sometimes that all power and telephone lines are underground.

My wife is from Germany and one of the weirdest things for her in moving to the US is that the power goes out.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Berlin, 3.645M citizen, everything underground. Houston, 2.302M citizen, ... "gigantic"

Berlin, Germany is inland, with an elevation average around 34 meters above sea level. The ground soil composition in Berlin is primarily sandy, draining easily and lending itself exceptionally well to underground infrastructure development. Houston, Texas, is coastal and has an elevation that averages around 13 meters above sea level. The ground composition in Houston is primarily made up of clay. Houston soil is no…

you haven't seen the soil drainage pipes of Berlin? They're like a screensaver from the 1990s escaped into the real world.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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Berlin, 3.645M citizen, everything underground. Houston, 2.302M citizen, ... "gigantic"

Berlin also has the advantage, being generous on “advantage”, of being completely rebuilt about 70 years ago.

When did the explosion of Houston's size and city take place? pre- or post 1945?

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wasn't a "grid issue." It is a last-mile issue. It's specifically an issue with the sheer amount of above ground power lines and population density. There is no easy fix, preparation, or practically anything else that can be done to prevent something like this. Plus, what causes the same amount of power outages (wind damage) isn't going to be different between 90mph winds and 150 mph winds. The effects are going…

I disagree, and I speak from experience. We've been repeatedly hit by climate-change induced typhoons here (near the SF Bay Area), and hurricane-force gusts hit both of the last two years. Our area looses a lot of roads to mudslides, and of course we have extended power outages. Having said that, the first year, PG&E only delivered one nine of availability last year, and this year, they're closer to two nines. The di…

>climate-change induced typhoons

Tell me your uninformed, without telling me.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

#269

In spite of (or perhaps because of) the constant repairs after a major storm every 10 to 15 years, Houston actually has one of the lowest energy costs in the United States: https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices... For some real numbers for Houston specifically in the middle of the hot summer months, input 77002 (a Houston metro zip code) into Texas govt's electricity provider search engine http…

It seems that it's cheap because they're cutting corners on infrastructure.

Re: Houston-area residents enter sixth day without power, air conditioning

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What's wrong with below-ground power distribution for metropolitan areas?

New Orleans and Houston are basically built on swamps. In New Orleans, you can’t even bury people below ground, so I doubt you can do much with power lines underground.

Swamp is a poor excuse IMHO. Plenty of my city Christchurch is built on swamp. yet it has slowly been replacing HV and LV power poles with underground cabling for about 50 years now, although there is still some remaining. We don't get hurricanes so I'm not sure of reasons for us using underground cabling. NZ is no where near as wealthy as Texas so Houston should be able to afford to do it too.

Christchurch gets earthquakes instead of hurricanes: http://db.nzsee.org.nz/SpecialIssue/44(4)0425.pdf

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