Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a path to that though: start with single-lane or turbo roundabouts with a turn at each entrance and you're golden.
Also, require roundabout knowledge to pass the knowledge test to obtain a driver’s license, as well as practical experience when in a trainer’s permit. This ensures go forward expertise inherent in the population after a certain date. People (education), process (implementation plan), technology (implementation).
Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
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Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#52I live in a country where roundabouts are common. They're great for relatively low traffic intersections as you can often get through much faster than lights. They are a liability when traffic levels are high enough - say during peak times - when one inbound direction is blocked by another. Wondering why Americans loathe them?
I don’t think Americans loathe roundabouts. They’re just unfamiliar. So when someone says “would you like to add an unfamiliar section of road design in our town?” most say no.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, require roundabout knowledge to pass the knowledge test to obtain a driver’s license, as well as practical experience when in a trainer’s permit. This ensures go forward expertise inherent in the population after a certain date. People (education), process (implementation plan), technology (implementation).
I'm pretty sure this is tested in all states already.
(my motivation is more roundabouts)
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#54> When the bell rings at Carmel High School, parents race in from all directions to create a zoo of cars, students, and tired teachers all try to use the road at the same time. How a city's failed attempt to build two roundabouts to fix the problem led to an addition.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUZA76L09M
Related, "Roads don't have to be FAT to be FAST":
> Red lights ruin perfectly good highways and make them grow wider than they really need to be. How a town got a highway moving fast again without adding a single new lane.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#55I live in a country where roundabouts are common. They're great for relatively low traffic intersections as you can often get through much faster than lights. They are a liability when traffic levels are high enough - say during peak times - when one inbound direction is blocked by another. Wondering why Americans loathe them?
It is possible to add traffic signals to roundabouts (in the UK the standard is TD 50 (DMRB 6.2.3)):
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Signalised_roundabo...
* http://www.jctconsultancy.co.uk/Consultancy/roundabouts.php
* https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e81b669e90e0...
If one direction dominates, you can stop it and then let the others have a turn.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#56Most American drivers are familiar with slip lanes, which allow drivers to make a right-hand turns without necessarily coming to a stop. (Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_lane. Note that the diagram shows an example from a country where they drive on the left side of the road.) They're convenient for drivers, but dangerous for anyone on foot or a bike. This is because a driver in a slip lane is looking for an opening in traffic in the direction opposite of the direction they're traveling.
A roundabout is basically an intersection made up of nothing but slip lanes. So they're fundamentally dangerous to pedestrians in the same way that a slip lane is, but the fact that vehicles are moving slower means that they're still safer than typical American intersections.
However, if I remember correctly (it's been over 20 years ago), in the UK they don't mix roundabouts and crosswalks. They'd put crosswalks (called "Zebra crossings": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_crossing) between intersections, where drivers aren't distracted by other things. I think we need to do that in the US as well if we're going to adopt roundabouts.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#57I live in a country where roundabouts are common. They're great for relatively low traffic intersections as you can often get through much faster than lights. They are a liability when traffic levels are high enough - say during peak times - when one inbound direction is blocked by another. Wondering why Americans loathe them?
> They are a liability when traffic levels are high enough - say during peak times - when one inbound direction is blocked by another. The rule should be that when traffic is bumper to bumper, the "zip" is made mandatory. That rule already supersedes the normal rule on, say, many (all?) european highways when the highway goes from, say, 3 lanes to 2 lanes and in case that creates a traffic jam: people in "their" lane…
What is actually super dangerous are the non-standard 2/3 lane roundabouts where the first lane gets "ejected" at the next/second exit forcibly, while the 2nd lane can either exit or continue on the roundabout, so many lorries in the 1st lane try to runover those in the 2nd lane trying to exit.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
...WTF. The Wikipedia article doesn't even give any explanation as to why. Why on earth did they build a circle of six roundabouts, rather than simply a single roundabout with six entrances/exits? I'm baffled.
You don't have to do a full loop if you need an adjacent exit. Eases load on the rest of entrances.
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#59In rural America, there are super dangerous 4-way intersections with stop signs. We're talking highways with 55+ MPH (~88 KPH) speed limits that are relying on everyone to see the sign and stop. Roundabouts would be much safer and better for traffic flow. There was a recent event where the interstate was closed (accident or something) and everyone had to re-route on those highways resulting in chaos at those intersec…
They are making these conversions at high fatality/injury intersections on rural highways here in Northern MN (our county is the size of the state of Delaware with a population of only 40k) and they are doing a great job at improving safety.
And there's a roundabouts database! Of course there is!
https://roundabouts.kittelson.com/Roundabouts/Search?sortOrd...
Re: Safer roundabouts are replacing traffic signals (2023)
#60Anecdotally, I also think the way roundabouts get built in the US is better now than a decade or two ago. It used to be that roundabouts (being unfamiliar) were just treated as a cookie-cutter object to plunk into the roadspace blindly. Nowadays I often see the designers making conscious decisions like: * what radius? * what angle do we need so it doesn't even make sense to try to turn left? * hard curb or drivable c…
There are design standards for them… now(?). There may not have been in the past, or they were not as good given the lack of experience.
See also perhaps "International comparison of roundabout design guidelines":