Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
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Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#2It's worth remembering when Robotaxi unveiling on 8/8 was initially announced - on April 5.
It was a very specific day - where Reuters reported that Tesla scrapped projects for a low cost car, and shares were tumbling >6% before Elon denied the story and some hours later announced the Robotaxi unveiling to stop the bleeding.
This is Enron of our times folks.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#3It's worth remembering when Robotaxi unveiling on 8/8 was initially announced - on April 5. It was a very specific day - where Reuters reported that Tesla scrapped projects for a low cost car, and shares were tumbling >6% before Elon denied the story and some hours later announced the Robotaxi unveiling to stop the bleeding. This is Enron of our times folks.
Not sure it's Enron (or Worldcom or Tyco, those were the days, watch The Smartest Guys in the Room and for bonus points spot the Trump reference), as that was an insane accounting fraud. But it's certainly remarkable.
Look for some combo of additional delay and spin that lowers expectations.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#4I'm most interested in the robotaxi from Rimac Verne. It looks great and they seem to have better sensors and invested lots of time already into how the infrastructure will look to make 23.5h out of 24h availability with cleaning, charging etc.
They might start operating in Zagreb in 2025.
Also - fanboy here - Mate Rimac is great. From adding an electric drive to a BMW in his garage to CEO of Bugatti is an amazing story. Engineer and tinkerer. Great to have those as CEOs.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#5I'm most interested in the robotaxi from Rimac Verne. It looks great and they seem to have better sensors and invested lots of time already into how the infrastructure will look to make 23.5h out of 24h availability with cleaning, charging etc. They might start operating in Zagreb in 2025. Also - fanboy here - Mate Rimac is great. From adding an electric drive to a BMW in his garage to CEO of Bugatti is an amazing st…
Rimac got 180M euros from EU for the RoboTaxi project for a L5 autonomy, but he's just buying Mobileye L3 system.
Verne presented the RoboTaxi in 6/2024, but they couldn't get the car to move to the stage. After they have been caught, they've admitted the plan was for the car to be driven remotely with a joystick to the stage.
Not to mention that they said 3 years ago they will have cars on the roads in 2024, now that's pushed to 2026.
Also to add - Rimac's father, who is convicted to 3 years in jail for financial crimes, sponsored his electric BMW and the company.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#6I'm most interested in the robotaxi from Rimac Verne. It looks great and they seem to have better sensors and invested lots of time already into how the infrastructure will look to make 23.5h out of 24h availability with cleaning, charging etc. They might start operating in Zagreb in 2025. Also - fanboy here - Mate Rimac is great. From adding an electric drive to a BMW in his garage to CEO of Bugatti is an amazing st…
Rimac got 180M euros from EU for the RoboTaxi project for a L5 autonomy, but he's just buying Mobileye L3 system. Verne presented the RoboTaxi in 6/2024, but they couldn't get the car to move to the stage. After they have been caught, they've admitted the plan was for the car to be driven remotely with a joystick to the stage. Not to mention that they said 3 years ago they will have cars on the roads in 2024, now tha…
Ah history repeats itself, "Rimac's father", we called that "Sippenhaft".
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rimac got 180M euros from EU for the RoboTaxi project for a L5 autonomy, but he's just buying Mobileye L3 system. Verne presented the RoboTaxi in 6/2024, but they couldn't get the car to move to the stage. After they have been caught, they've admitted the plan was for the car to be driven remotely with a joystick to the stage. Not to mention that they said 3 years ago they will have cars on the roads in 2024, now tha…
Ah history repeats itself, "Rimac's father", we called that "Sippenhaft".
It didn't take you long to make Godwin's law true. Is somebody a criminal if they knowingly used dirty money? That's for the courts to decide, but I know what my opinion on this is.
My last sentence was about dispelling the myth that Rimac is self made. Rimac never said where he got the money for racing and re-building his electric BMW (multiple times) when he was 18, nor did he ever explain where he got the money to develop a super sport car Concept_one.
It's interesting that you decided to focus on just 1 sentence in my comment, but ignored majority of facts about his self driving project, which was actually the topic of this thread.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#8I'm most interested in the robotaxi from Rimac Verne. It looks great and they seem to have better sensors and invested lots of time already into how the infrastructure will look to make 23.5h out of 24h availability with cleaning, charging etc. They might start operating in Zagreb in 2025. Also - fanboy here - Mate Rimac is great. From adding an electric drive to a BMW in his garage to CEO of Bugatti is an amazing st…
Rimac got 180M euros from EU for the RoboTaxi project for a L5 autonomy, but he's just buying Mobileye L3 system. Verne presented the RoboTaxi in 6/2024, but they couldn't get the car to move to the stage. After they have been caught, they've admitted the plan was for the car to be driven remotely with a joystick to the stage. Not to mention that they said 3 years ago they will have cars on the roads in 2024, now tha…
TBF makers of robotaxi vehicles and makers of robotaxi software, and maybe even mapping data, are not going to be the same companies. There will be intermediate phases like Waymo buying and operating robotaxis equipped to their specs. So "just buying Mobibleye" software isn't a knock on Rimac.
Re: Tesla to delay Robotaxi unveiling, report says
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rimac got 180M euros from EU for the RoboTaxi project for a L5 autonomy, but he's just buying Mobileye L3 system. Verne presented the RoboTaxi in 6/2024, but they couldn't get the car to move to the stage. After they have been caught, they've admitted the plan was for the car to be driven remotely with a joystick to the stage. Not to mention that they said 3 years ago they will have cars on the roads in 2024, now tha…
TBF makers of robotaxi vehicles and makers of robotaxi software, and maybe even mapping data, are not going to be the same companies. There will be intermediate phases like Waymo buying and operating robotaxis equipped to their specs. So "just buying Mobibleye" software isn't a knock on Rimac.
That's a totally reasonable expectation and I agree with you on that. Nobody reasonable would expect him to compete with Waymo, Tesla and others.
Buying the software isn't the problem here. The problem with Project 3 Mobility (Verne) is that they made a lot of promisses to get the EU money, together with other benefits from the Croatian government. They didn't deliver on anything so far. Couple of things come to mind:
1. Prototype was supposed to be out in 2022.
2. "Mobility center", infrastructure for charging etc was also supposed to be done in 2022.
3. Street testing of cars and beginning of manufacturing to begin in 2024.
4. Cars that will have L5 autonomy.