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Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by evantbyrne »

lmm wrote: post #116
evantbyrne wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brother, let's agree to disagree. I'm not involved in any of these licensing dramas as I don't have any feelings of entitlement to free labor. People can give away as little or as much as they please.

There's no "agree to disagree" when you're doing something that (whether you intend it that way or not) will end up scamming people. Don't tell people your code is open source when it's not open source. Don't tell people your code is free when it's not free. It's not entitlement to expect people to keep their word, even if you didn't pay them.

Accusing people of "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing, and putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing, is acting entitled. You're not the lifeguard on this beach, so draw your lines in the sand somewhere else. Good day to you sir.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by rekabis »

haswell wrote: post #92

Having worked quite deeply with Jira and a host of other enterprise products that target this set of use cases, and having a pretty good understanding of what decision makers are looking for when evaluating these products for fit (I have been that person), what does "AI First" mean? I realize AI is the hype right now and it seems like most products have to pay the AI Tax (i.e. "Yes we're doing AI stuff so you should…

> what does "AI First" mean?

Copious amounts of gratuitous hallucinations contaminating the data you are looking to work with.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by meiraleal »

harshithmul wrote: post #61
peterldowns wrote: post #59

First, congratulations on launching. I think people are so used to seeing beautiful products these days that it can be hard to remember how hard it is to make anything . Nice work! With that out of the way, here is some critical feedback: - What is the pitch that you made to YC that convinced them to back you? The market size just doesn't seem that large and I don't understand what will differentiate you from Linear…

Thanks a ton for the feedback. 1. We started our documentation at https://docs.tegon.ai , though it is not ready yet points taken, and we will work towards making more documentation. 2. We are planning internally to bring more systems to how we manage PRs and to have the right information on them. 3. We love opensource and we have built all our previous products opensource. Keeping our love aside we believe the build…

> Keeping our love aside we believe the building of a marketplace for agents/integrations is where the community can help us a ton.

You wanna customers that act like salesman. Who doesn't? What the community can help you with doesn't seem to align with what you can help the community with.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by meiraleal »

Aeolun wrote: post #102
peter_l_downs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the way, you've left the notiz.dev LICENSE file in your server code, probably you want to remove that. https://github.com/tegonhq/tegon/blob/158b54af8d6f7cf4195c61... Separately, there seems to be a ton of unused or broken or dead code sprinkled throughout — for instance, in the auth code, I can't tell if you're doing basic email/password auth or using Supertokens and a third-party login via Google. You have code…

Note that “open-source” does not imply anything about quality, or your entitlement to that. As was already noted they’re selling access to a cloud product that you are entirely welcome to use if you do not want to think about how the code works.

> or your entitlement to that

Calling something open source to get traction doesn't entitle a project to much anymore, too. Gone was the time that open source was synonymous of creating public software while building a community. What we see here on Show HNs is pure marketing strategy.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by harshithmul »

meiraleal wrote: post #124
harshithmul wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks a ton for the feedback. 1. We started our documentation at https://docs.tegon.ai , though it is not ready yet points taken, and we will work towards making more documentation. 2. We are planning internally to bring more systems to how we manage PRs and to have the right information on them. 3. We love opensource and we have built all our previous products opensource. Keeping our love aside we believe the build…

> Keeping our love aside we believe the building of a marketplace for agents/integrations is where the community can help us a ton. You wanna customers that act like salesman. Who doesn't? What the community can help you with doesn't seem to align with what you can help the community with.

Hey, we are still early and are figuring out things. Thanks for being candid, was there something you are interested in seeing in the product? (use case, feature etc)

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by lmm »

evantbyrne wrote: post #121
lmm wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "agree to disagree" when you're doing something that (whether you intend it that way or not) will end up scamming people. Don't tell people your code is open source when it's not open source. Don't tell people your code is free when it's not free. It's not entitlement to expect people to keep their word, even if you didn't pay them.

Accusing people of "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing, and putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing, is acting entitled. You're not the lifeguard on this beach, so draw your lines in the sand somewhere else. Good day to you sir.

> "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing

Again, Columbia Record Club

> putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing

If the written terms are clear already, why do you want to call it free/open source? (Which it isn't)

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by evantbyrne »

lmm wrote: post #127
evantbyrne wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing people of "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing, and putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing, is acting entitled. You're not the lifeguard on this beach, so draw your lines in the sand somewhere else. Good day to you sir.

> "scamming" you by giving you something for nothing Again, Columbia Record Club > putting their extremely permissive terms in clear writing If the written terms are clear already, why do you want to call it free/open source? (Which it isn't)

Do you really not understand that the colloquial use of these terms differ, and that most people don't even know about the FSF and OSI? On the other hand, the license has always been the law and everyone knows that. If you're just going off someone mentioning they "open-sourced" their work, not checking the license, and importing that into corporate projects, then you could end up with anything and would frankly be lucky to later find a FSL or BSL rather than something in the GPL family. Being scammed and just being dumb are two entirely different things, and you have yet to point out any real scams.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by zestyping »

harshithmul wrote: post #101
haswell wrote: post #92

Having worked quite deeply with Jira and a host of other enterprise products that target this set of use cases, and having a pretty good understanding of what decision makers are looking for when evaluating these products for fit (I have been that person), what does "AI First" mean? I realize AI is the hype right now and it seems like most products have to pay the AI Tax (i.e. "Yes we're doing AI stuff so you should…

Really appreciate the thoughts. The places where we believe AI matters a lot is 1. Ensuring ticket has enough information 2. Offloading some amount task before someone picks it. These are the 2 key areas we are focusing and we will launch some features around these in the coming weeks. Would love to hear if there are some other places you feel we can focus on?

What about, instead of using AI to summarize the issue text for the developer, using AI on the _submission_ end to notice if the bug report doesn't contain enough details and ask the submitter clarifying questions until the submission is a really good bug report?
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