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Re: Russian Missile Attack Levels Children's Hospital

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>“nazis”, something that happened at a small scale seventy years ago! small?

Yes, small.

There has been extensive non-partisan (historically accurate) analysis of this, which I won't repeat here because it just invites the wrong kind of nit-picking debate over minutiae that don't matter.[1]

Meanwhile, actual fascists and literal NAZI party members took over most of Europe in the 1940s. Italy was fascist. Austria joined the NAZIs. Hungary did too. Hungary is turning increasingly fascist right now and Russia loves this: https://theconversation.com/i-watched-hungarys-democracy-dis...

Apparently, that's no longer a problem, but a single long-dead[1] collaborator with no real impact on Ukraine even when he was alive is apparently reason to invade with... drumroll... a merc army lead by a neo-NAZI with SS tattoos: https://aijac.org.au/fresh-air/russia-sends-its-pet-neo-nazi...

You can't make this stuff up. If this was a script for a movie, the author would be laughed out of the room.

Sigh.. the whole "Ukraine is NAZI" talking point is just that. An excuse, a throw-away comment that works on Russians and nobody else. It's like the bully that punches the kid in the playground because they wanted to, and when asked, comes up with some "reason" on the spot, like "Oh, I didn't like the way they looked at me" or somesuch.

[1] A favoured argument tactic by those people who know they're in the wrong with respect to the fundamental points. Ukraine could have been 100% NAZI and saluting Hitler in school, but this doesn't matter if it occurred when 80% of the current population hadn't even been born yet!

[2] In the dirt for more than half a century now! Bandera died in 1959! that was 63 years before the start of the current invasion. THIS is my point precisely, that Putin's justifications are out-of-date, based on politics that have zero relevance to modern-day Ukraine.

Re: Russian Missile Attack Levels Children's Hospital

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>“nazis”, something that happened at a small scale seventy years ago! small?

Yes, small. There has been extensive non-partisan (historically accurate) analysis of this, which I won't repeat here because it just invites the wrong kind of nit-picking debate over minutiae that don't matter.[1] Meanwhile, actual fascists and literal NAZI party members took over most of Europe in the 1940s. Italy was fascist. Austria joined the NAZIs. Hungary did too. Hungary is turning increasingly fascist right…

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Re: Russian Missile Attack Levels Children's Hospital

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, small. There has been extensive non-partisan (historically accurate) analysis of this, which I won't repeat here because it just invites the wrong kind of nit-picking debate over minutiae that don't matter.[1] Meanwhile, actual fascists and literal NAZI party members took over most of Europe in the 1940s. Italy was fascist. Austria joined the NAZIs. Hungary did too. Hungary is turning increasingly fascist right…

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> warmongering aggressive policies

Russia invaded Ukraine in a war that has -- so far -- killed at least a hundred thousand people and wounded about half a million.

Is that a defensive or aggressive policy towards neighbours?

How many people have died as a consequence of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Finland joining NATO?

What material aggression has Russia experienced, in terms of casualties?

This whole thing is actually very simple: Russia's senior leadership wanted to invade Ukraine. It's something they've been planning for decades. There's numerous interviews with various world leaders stating that they've known about these plans since at least the early 2000s.

Ukraine joining a defensive pact is a "threat" only to invasion plans. Invading right before a country has a chance to join is simply confirming that the need for defensive alliances was a real one.

It's like a burglar feeling "threatened" by the installation of security cameras in a place they've been scoping for months, and robbing the place right before the security system installers turn up.

No matter what that burglar says about the police, or the "spying" of the cameras, or whatever matters. Fundamentally, they had criminal intent and are just making things up to justify that.

Every Russian excuse is just nonsense when examined critically. E.g.: "We had to defend ethnic Russians from the bad Ukranians". Okay... then why was it that after the invasion the Russian military immediately used the locals as discardable cannon fodder? What kind of "protection" is that!? https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1d7b6gs...

Re: Russian Missile Attack Levels Children's Hospital

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, small. There has been extensive non-partisan (historically accurate) analysis of this, which I won't repeat here because it just invites the wrong kind of nit-picking debate over minutiae that don't matter.[1] Meanwhile, actual fascists and literal NAZI party members took over most of Europe in the 1940s. Italy was fascist. Austria joined the NAZIs. Hungary did too. Hungary is turning increasingly fascist right…

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How many people died in the course of NATO’s expansion to Russia’s borders?

How many people died in the course of Russia’s current pushback?

Which of these actions are you arguing is justified?

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