Russia has famously poisoned or otherwise assassinated countless dissidents and political opponents. But as far as I can tell, they have never openly killed a NATO citizen in a NATO country. That would be a substantial bridge to cross, and I expect there would need to be retribution for such an act.
I don’t know if this counts as “openly”, and he was naturalized, not native born, but Alexander Litvinenko was a British citizen poisoned in London. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
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Re: US and Germany foiled Russian plot to assassinate CEO of arms manufacturer
#22It is clear that USA remains an economic, cultural, moral and even spiritual powerhouse as other civilizations go through all sort of turbulence. By virtue of this, other "western" value nations like EU nations, Japan, Australia, South Korea etc. are doing well and likely to do well and benefit. Together we beat covid, invented magic pills for obesity, moved towards cheaper and better energy sources and kept our institutions strong. Even the Islamic and north african immigrants did not cause any collapse that our enemies planned for us.
People around the world continue to line up to immigrate to west legally or illegally. It is a huge success for us.
Now, we have AI. With few more gains this can transform our economy and way of life like nothing else.
I see Russia, China, India and Arab world feel depressed about this that there is nothing they can do about this. They will not be able to catch up with us ever. They take pride in being "thousand year old civilization" but they are being outfoxxed by bunch of cowboys and LGBTQ folks at every step
Russia-Ukraine war or Chinese war on Taiwan is not just a local war but rather an act of desperation from these states due to the realization that their culture and society is a loser culture and society.
I expect this sort of assassination attempts to be on rise now.
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#23Re: US and Germany foiled Russian plot to assassinate CEO of arms manufacturer
#24Russia has famously poisoned or otherwise assassinated countless dissidents and political opponents. But as far as I can tell, they have never openly killed a NATO citizen in a NATO country. That would be a substantial bridge to cross, and I expect there would need to be retribution for such an act.
Alexander Litvinenko was a russian/british citiizen and killed with polonium poisoning on british soil (journalist).
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is. But what can Germany do about it ? Nothing.
There are things Germany could do. Taurus missiles to Ukraine would be one.
My reading is that German elites are deeply compromised and probably on take from Russians. Either through money or through blackmail or through sheer fear.
When taking a stand against Russia vs caving into Russian demands, I think Germany will fold and cave in to Russian demands.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
They did not. There was all sorts of speculation and enough circumstantial evidence to implicate either Russia or Ukraine or the US depending on what your threshold is.
> They did not. There was all sorts of speculation and enough circumstantial evidence to implicate either Russia or (...) depending on what your threshold is. There was circunstancial evidence implicating Russia, and there is Russia's firehose of falsehood spewing industrial levels of propaganda accusing everyone else ranging from Mickey Mouse to moon nazis. In the meantime, Russian ships were found to have been invo…
However, if I had to bet, I don't think Nordstream 2 was Russia. Sweden and Denmark just concluded their investigations after almost 2 years and if Russia had done it there would've been some implicating evidence. Instead, the reports ended with no conclusion other than it was "complex." I don't believe Seymour Hersh's report to be accurate, but there's a good chance it was US or Ukraine, only for us to find out years later the justification. Time will tell.
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#27Russia has famously poisoned or otherwise assassinated countless dissidents and political opponents. But as far as I can tell, they have never openly killed a NATO citizen in a NATO country. That would be a substantial bridge to cross, and I expect there would need to be retribution for such an act.
I have a pet conjecture that they might have actually murdered FDR too, though he was so frail that it probably only took a 'pat on the back' in Yalta [4] (unlike their first try on Navalny [2] and Yushchenko [3].) Unlucky for them, Truman ended up being a much tougher rival than FDR would have been, IMO.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny
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There are things Germany could do. Taurus missiles to Ukraine would be one.
But that would provoke Russia and would lead to WW3. (Tongue in Cheek). My reading is that German elites are deeply compromised and probably on take from Russians. Either through money or through blackmail or through sheer fear. When taking a stand against Russia vs caving into Russian demands, I think Germany will fold and cave in to Russian demands.
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#29At the core of the Russia-Ukraine war there is something that we should all be somewhat concerned about. It is clear that USA remains an economic, cultural, moral and even spiritual powerhouse as other civilizations go through all sort of turbulence. By virtue of this, other "western" value nations like EU nations, Japan, Australia, South Korea etc. are doing well and likely to do well and benefit. Together we beat c…