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Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#51

Post by g_p »

sitkack wrote: post #50
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

I run Linux in a VM on my M1 mac all day long. That VM was the fastest Linux instance I had anywhere. Faster the my 5950 and way faster than anything in cloud. Your can't using it is your choice.

Out of interest, I assume this was an arm64 build of Linux? Which hypervisor or VM software did you use?

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#52

Post by seabrookmx »

g_p wrote: post #51
sitkack wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Linux in a VM on my M1 mac all day long. That VM was the fastest Linux instance I had anywhere. Faster the my 5950 and way faster than anything in cloud. Your can't using it is your choice.

Out of interest, I assume this was an arm64 build of Linux? Which hypervisor or VM software did you use?

Not OP, but likely lima or colima if working with containers.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#53

Post by Rinzler89 »

ben_w wrote: post #49
Rinzler89 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, those are nice improvements, no question about it, but none of those change the iPad fundaments or unlock new possibilities for it, which is that it wasn't previously compute limited but limited by iPad OS. It's also not just my opinion but almost all users who reviewed the M4 iPad Pro, like MKBHD, calling it a overpriced Netflix machine.

> like MKBHD, calling it a overpriced Netflix machine. I've not seen that quote anywhere. Google no longer actually finding quotes no longer means the quote isn't present on the internet, so do you have a citation for that?

It wasn't a quote, just implied via other words and expressions. Watch his M4 iPad review.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#54

Post by sitkack »

g_p wrote: post #51
sitkack wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Linux in a VM on my M1 mac all day long. That VM was the fastest Linux instance I had anywhere. Faster the my 5950 and way faster than anything in cloud. Your can't using it is your choice.

Out of interest, I assume this was an arm64 build of Linux? Which hypervisor or VM software did you use?

Arm64 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.

VMWare Fusion (now free beer) and Podman.

Still running the beta of Fusion which I have literally had zero issues with. I have not benchmarked podman.

https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2024/05/fusion-pro-now-a...

https://podman-desktop.io/docs/installation/macos-install

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#55

Post by entropicdrifter »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #13
retskrad wrote: post #4

The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet without cooling. I don’t understand where this idea that Apple has lost most of their chip design talent and is in trouble rhetoric is coming from. Apple still makes the world’s most advanced and efficient consumer chips, years after the M1.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

Asahi Linux runs great on all of the M-series Macs

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#56

Post by Rinzler89 »

dagmx wrote: post #47
Rinzler89 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, those are nice improvements, no question about it, but none of those change the iPad fundaments or unlock new possibilities for it, which is that it wasn't previously compute limited but limited by iPad OS. It's also not just my opinion but almost all users who reviewed the M4 iPad Pro, like MKBHD, calling it a overpriced Netflix machine.

I mean, if your question is “what new capabilities did it unlock?” then doesn’t that apply to the whole CPU market? Did any of the stuff you mentioned you do has fundamentally changed in desktop in the last decade +. People like faster and snappier things. Along with that the new hardware unlocks the use of tandem oleds which is a big change for HDR creation and color accuracy. They go hand in hand. A lot of people c…

>Like this argument you’re proposing just boils down to “it doesn’t solve my needs and therefore I can’t imagine it solving other people’s needs”

I never said that. I asked what needs does the M4 solve that the M3/2 couldn't? I asked that because people keep bring up the M4 in discussion, arguing against X86/Qualcomm chips, how they're slower than Apple's latest M4 chips, and for that I counteract with the fact that for a lot of cases the M4's extra performance over x86/Qualcomm is irelevant since X86/Qualcomm chips solve different and a lot more diverse problems that the highly restrictive and niche problems the iPad solves.

And it's not me, because those are not my needs, I don't compile the linux kernel or doe CAD/CAE, or microbiology simulations but those to me (and to society and humanity) those are still more important than movie writers having a slightly faster iPad for drafts, since it's not like that was the reasons most movies suck nowadays.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

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Post by Derbasti »

retskrad wrote: post #4

The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet without cooling. I don’t understand where this idea that Apple has lost most of their chip design talent and is in trouble rhetoric is coming from. Apple still makes the world’s most advanced and efficient consumer chips, years after the M1.

And that's exactly why it's so cool to see this in the Surface tablets.

...he writes, on his Snapdragon Surface tablet.

(Also, I find it hella entertaining that a snapdragon is a cute little flower, martial naming notwithstanding)

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#58

Post by treyd »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #55
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The M4 is the highest single core CPU in the world and it’s in a ridiculously thin tablet That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful CPU is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest Netflix machine lol. Was the previous "thicker" M3 iPad holding anyone back? All that power and I can't use it to compile the Linux kernel, I can't use it to play the latest Steam/GOG games, or run CAD simulations, becaus…

Asahi Linux runs great on all of the M-series Macs

There's a lot of long tail issues with peripherals that still need to be worked out, to be fair. Sound wasn't enabled until fairly recently because they were still testing to ensure the drivers couldn't damage the hardware.

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#59

Post by ben_w »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #46
ben_w wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So linux kernel compiling is niche but not editing videos and audio on the iPad? Correct. How many million youtube channels are there, and how exactly do you think that stuff gets made? Magic? New chip aimed at them, to make their work lives better. > And you haven't answered my question Yes I have. So have others who have replied to you. Performance. > were the M3 IPads being held back Disingenuous. "Held back" im…

>How many million youtube channels are there, and how exactly do you think that stuff gets made? Magic? Since you asked, they're using Macs and PCs mostly, sometimes Linux too. Rarely iPads though. That's more of a strawmen your building here. And I'm bringing in arguments that X86 and ARM improvements are more important that the M4 chips, because they power the world innovations, and you're bring up editing YouTube…

> Using Macs and PCs mostly, sometimes Linux too. Rarely iPads. That's more of a strawmen your building here.

You're arguing as if everyone changes production mode in one go when new hardware arrives. This chip was only released 50 days ago.

Your example of "power the world innovations" included "compile Linux kernel" and "play the latest Steam/GOG games".

YouTube is more valuable to the world than endlessly recompiling the Linux kernel.

Let me rephrase via metaphorical narrative:

--

"This internal combustion engine is very good, isn't it. I don't know why people keep saying they're a dead-end."

"That's kind of the problem. The world's most powerful engine is put in the world's most expensive and thinnest carriage, lol. Was the previous horse-drawn carriage holding anyone back? Can't use car exhaust as manure!"

"Obviously it held people back, just look at all the things horseless carriages let people do faster, how the delivery of goods has been improved. And honestly, most people have moved on from organic manure."

"What, manure is niche compared to trucks?"

"Very much so. I mean, how do you think we get all the stuff in our shops?"

"But most of the stuff is delivered by horses! And also, you're talking about trivial things like 'shopping', when horses power important things like 'cavalry'. I rest my case."

--

> I never said or meant such a thing, you're just making up stuff up at this point to stoke the fire and that's why I'll end the conversation with you here.

I copy-pasted from your own previous comment, and at the time of writing this comment, the words "were the M3 IPads being held back" are still present. I cannot see how they could mean something else. Just in case you edit that comment (you've edited a few others, that's fine, I do that too), here's the whole paragraph:

> And you haven't answered my question. For video and audio editing, were the M3 IPads being held back compared to M4 for it to unlock new possibilities that couldn't have been done before and convince new users to switch to iPads?

Re: Qualcomm's Oryon core: A long time in the making

#60

Post by spockz »

seabrookmx wrote: post #52
g_p wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, I assume this was an arm64 build of Linux? Which hypervisor or VM software did you use?

Not OP, but likely lima or colima if working with containers.

Is Lima or Colima so much better than docker desktop for Mac these days? In what respect, the performance?
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