The internet is already over (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by kragen » Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 4:46 PM UTC

peterleiser wrote: post #18

reddalo wrote: post #8

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> everyone is here I think this is the answer. Once upon a time we were way fewer people, and many interests were shared among those people (because we pretty much were all "geeks"). We've always had trolls, spammers, etc. but it still felt like we were part of a big community. Now everybody is here, and that feeling is no more. It's like moving from a small village or town (where everybody knows each other) to a hug…

And nobody makes Monty Python or The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy references anymore. I had a boss 15 years ago who had watched all things Star Trek, just like me; Knew all the things. But at one point he mentioned he wasn't really a fan, it was just "required reading, part of the literature". This is an interesting one. There used to be certain things that all nerds knew, and could talk about, use as analogies a…

the analects of confucius, or, in europe, plato, cicero, and the bible

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by bobthepanda » Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 5:42 PM UTC

whyoh wrote: post #267

bobthepanda wrote: post #62

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There’s even new top 40 pop music that’s doing well. It’s hard to say that Chappell Roan is particularly derivative of anything, as an example, and before that you had Billie Eilish breaking in, the popularization of niche genres like Jersey club music, etc. A lot of the pop music kvetching is usually code for “new music that I like and find familiar is hard to find.”

>It’s hard to say that Chappell Roan is particularly derivative of anything I've never heard of her, but the first search result I got is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKqOmSkGgM It seems very derivative to me. And FWIW I think there's plenty of high quality and original/creative music out there nowadays. But the 'top 40' category does seem quite stale and boring (judging by the music I hear in shopping mall…

Personally I think these are probably more representative of her work:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bw5K138hoU

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Wxl9Q9lUQ

What would you say this is derivative of, and how is this more derivative than other music? What is an example of not-derivative music by this criteria?

Nearly all music depends on some kind of prior art. You can be reductive about any genre of music; for a couple hundred years choral and classical European music was nearly all about devotion to God.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by DocTomoe » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 11:01 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #213

DocTomoe wrote: post #127

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A big part in that was ISPs who often enough deliberately killed self-hosting with dynamic IP allocation and asynchronous upload/download rates, necessitating hosting somewhere else, which came with an extra cost, either in ads or in money.

Dynamic IPs for residential connections where already the norm in the early 2000s (remember dyndns.org and freedns.afraid.org?) yet self-hosted content was much more prominent than it is now. So where asymmetric lines.

That 'self-hosting' you are referring to was actually 'hosting your own stuff on other people's computers in a data center somewhere, most likely the ISP that originally took away your static IP so you can't do it yourself'. True self-hosting is from your own basement.

I'm honestly in the 'old guy from the 1990s' camp. ... once there was a fleeting glimpse of beauty, called 'Internet'.