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GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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Who are they trying to fool? Wholesale expropriation after stripping the license and authorship, while those in the open source community observe both of them very carefully. Give credit where credit is due, including paying the creators when the licensing is violated.

While I agree with you on principle, current laws do not reflect the copyright status intended by copyleft works. I'm not even sure if copyleft can be enforced against AI plagiarism under current laws.

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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post #20

This is missing the largest argument in my opinion. The weights are the derivative work of the GPL licensed code and should therefore be released under the GPL. I would say these companies release their weights or simply not train on copyleft code. It is truly amazing how many people will shill for these massive corporations that claim they love open source or that their AI is open while they profit off of the violat…

Just FYI, Felix Reda was a member of the European Parliament and was responsible there for the copyright reform and also involved in GDPR, massively stepping on the feet of big tech. Don't know if it was your intention to include them in a list of people wo "shill" for big tech, but they shouldn't be included.

edit wording about the shill

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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Was proven with examples that LLM can produce exact text from it's input, this was such a problem that OpenAI had to add various filters to stop those things to repeat, this was also proven when the pre prompt was revealed.

So we know for sure the LLM can spit out exact code with exact same names and comments, or exact paragraphs from books, so there is no question that it memorizes stuff and my explanation is that popular book quotes and popular code snippets will appear more then once in the training data so the training will cause to memorize this text.

Also how the F** can the AI spit facts about a metal band if it has no memory.

If corporations are allowed to do this to the community then we should allow to do the same, train open models on proprietary code and copyrighted images,music and videos.

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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(Nice necromancy)

Dude got ripped into in his own comment section... apparently he conveniently ignored the fact that copilot spits out verbatim code blocks, which is the main problem everyone talks about.

I don't want to shit on the Pirate Party he is a member of, but most of his blogposts seems like the typical anti-EU bashing to me. But YMMV.

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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> The output of a machine simply does not qualify for copyright protection – it is in the public domain.

I am reading this right… ? If this argument is generally true, does this mean that the output of a compiler might also be sent into the public domain? Or the live recording and broadcast of an event which involves automated machines on all levels?

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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post #4

Who are they trying to fool? Wholesale expropriation after stripping the license and authorship, while those in the open source community observe both of them very carefully. Give credit where credit is due, including paying the creators when the licensing is violated.

While I agree with you on principle, current laws do not reflect the copyright status intended by copyleft works. I'm not even sure if copyleft can be enforced against AI plagiarism under current laws.

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Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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post #20

This is missing the largest argument in my opinion. The weights are the derivative work of the GPL licensed code and should therefore be released under the GPL. I would say these companies release their weights or simply not train on copyleft code. It is truly amazing how many people will shill for these massive corporations that claim they love open source or that their AI is open while they profit off of the violat…

Since weights are not distributed only used by Github to provide the service, they need not worry about GPL atleast. I don't know about AGPL.

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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post #5

> If I go to a bookshop, take a book off the shelf and start reading it, I am not infringing any copyright Do pro-generative AI people have absolutely no argument besides this? If I had a dollar for every time I've heard it, I'd be rich by now. And it's not even close to being a good argument.

My take is that artists are hypocrites.

" If you had so many dollars you would change your motto/ to say your account is 7 digits like you won the lotto/ buy vanilla ice and lick it like there's no tomorrow "

In hip-hop culture these lyrics could jog someone's memory of some Nas lyrics, some 8 mile battle songs maybe.

Could an AI come up with those awful lyrics? It sure could if it knew the specific Nas lyrics, 8 mile battle lyrics, knew about the lotto and twist the rules, what a motto is and so on.

Would it infringe any copyright by knowing the lyrics to Nas songs, 8 mile battle songs? According to you, yes. But I disagree.

Why hypocrites? Because I think artists (and coders) are always inspired by someone else's work and add their own experience, context, personality on top to create new work. Yes, generative AI is doing it a massive scale and democratizing most of the creative process, but to me it's the same thing even if, technically, it may be very crude and basic.

Re: GitHub Copilot is not infringing your copyright (2021)

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post #20

This is missing the largest argument in my opinion. The weights are the derivative work of the GPL licensed code and should therefore be released under the GPL. I would say these companies release their weights or simply not train on copyleft code. It is truly amazing how many people will shill for these massive corporations that claim they love open source or that their AI is open while they profit off of the violat…

Since weights are not distributed only used by Github to provide the service, they need not worry about GPL atleast. I don't know about AGPL.

What about the emitted code which is actually derived from GPL code?

What about BSL, SSPL, or other source available (for your eyes only) licenses? Copilot harvests all public repos, regardless of its license.

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