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Re: The coming eBPF revolution and why Kubernetes monitoring will never be the same

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Post by gnabgib » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:32 AM UTC

zuntaruk wrote: post #10

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also not open source.

Just wanting to understand the definition of Open Source you are using here, considering that you can see and download the source here: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad Are you maybe referring to their Enterprise offering?

"Going forward, we will refer to the open, freely available versions as “community”. The BSL license is open, free, and source-available. However, it does not meet the definition of open source as defined by OSI" https://www.hashicorp.com/license-faq

From Open Source to Source Available https://news.itsfoss.com/open-source-source-available/

"The BSL (also sometimes abbreviated as BUSL) is considered a source-available license (..) Unlike open source licenses, the BSL prohibits the licensed code from being used in production — without explicit approval from the licensor." https://fossa.com/blog/business-source-license-requirements-...

Re: The coming eBPF revolution and why Kubernetes monitoring will never be the same

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 4:24 PM UTC

zuntaruk wrote: post #10

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also not open source.

Just wanting to understand the definition of Open Source you are using here, considering that you can see and download the source here: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad Are you maybe referring to their Enterprise offering?

Publishing the source code makes it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software but that code is under the Business Source License, which is not an open source license.

(By way of example: The source code for Windows has been leaked several times, including on github, and MS made it available to various parties over the years, but I think we can agree that it is not open source.)

Re: The coming eBPF revolution and why Kubernetes monitoring will never be the same

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Post by zuntaruk » Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 5:03 AM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #12

zuntaruk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wanting to understand the definition of Open Source you are using here, considering that you can see and download the source here: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad Are you maybe referring to their Enterprise offering?

Publishing the source code makes it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software but that code is under the Business Source License, which is not an open source license. (By way of example: The source code for Windows has been leaked several times, including on github, and MS made it available to various parties over the years, but I think we can agree that it is not open source.)

Thanks for the clarification!

Re: The coming eBPF revolution and why Kubernetes monitoring will never be the same

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Post by zuntaruk » Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 5:05 AM UTC

gnabgib wrote: post #11

zuntaruk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wanting to understand the definition of Open Source you are using here, considering that you can see and download the source here: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad Are you maybe referring to their Enterprise offering?

"Going forward, we will refer to the open, freely available versions as “community”. The BSL license is open, free, and source-available. However, it does not meet the definition of open source as defined by OSI" https://www.hashicorp.com/license-faq From Open Source to Source Available https://news.itsfoss.com/open-source-source-available/ "The BSL (also sometimes abbreviated as BUSL) is considered a source-availabl…

Really appreciate the references here. I usually forgot some of the diner details on stuff like this