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Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by ranger_danger »

squigz wrote: post #96
CamperBob2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 PB of disk space would cost about $10K at this point in time. Not exactly unattainable. Looks like it would fit in a volume of space about the size of a standard refrigerator. I'd be OK with both requirements.

It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+ (and the time to maintain it) on a pirate archive, hence my comment. On the other hand, contributing a TB or two to a torrent swarm is much more feasible for most people. In any case, if you're okay with that, you should do it. Please report back in 6 months with how it's going.

> It doesn't seem reasonable to me to suggest that an average person would spend $10,000+

You're right, and I was not trying to suggest that. I was merely disagreeing with "You are never going to" because I know there are people who are reading this who can and maybe will.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by brimwats »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #75
ASalazarMX wrote: post #12

They're just piling on anything they can regardless of reason. A real damage count would be lost sales due to web scraping, but they don't sell anything. > For example, the organization spent $1,548,693 on upgrades for its hardware infrastructure, and an additional $608,069 for a two-year Cloudflare contract [..] Other costs include the salaries of 34 full-time employees, who were tasked with mitigating the harm caus…

Does OCLC get revenue from advertising or anything like that? I always notice they have google beacons on their site.

They don't, OCLC is largely funded by the exorbitant prices they charge libraries for various things, including DDC.

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Post by account42 »

kragen wrote: post #197
account42 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deliberately conflating the two, especially in discussion of US strategic interests, is not just unhelpful but makes your entire argument nonsensical.

sigh

Consider not spewing bs instead of sighing.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by account42 »

otterley wrote: post #82
lynguist wrote: post #10

What a ridiculous claim. They call computer hardware and salaries damage. I want a competent judge to make sure that these are not damages and I wish that Anna’s Archive continues to operate in sensible jurisdiction for the foreseeable future. If I had the means I would donate to them.

They mean "damages" in a legal sense, not in a "broken" sense. Damages in tort law are the amount intended to make the claimant whole -- that is, to reimburse expenses incurred to protect legal rights, compensate for lost revenue, or to restore the status quo ante.

A store can't claim the security guard's salary as damages caused by theft.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by account42 »

userbinator wrote: post #103
CamperBob2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 PB of disk space would cost about $10K at this point in time. Not exactly unattainable. Looks like it would fit in a volume of space about the size of a standard refrigerator. I'd be OK with both requirements.

1PB is well beyond the point at which a tape drive and a bunch of tapes will be cheaper than hard drives, and likely more reliable.

For archival, yes. Not if you want to access the thing with any frequency.

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Post by account42 »

jerojero wrote: post #162
helloworld42024 wrote: post #2

At this point, we need a service that "offers" an 8-bay (with 12TB? 14TB? drives) full with the whole ~80TB Anna's Archive. It's essentially all of human knowledge and to be frank it belongs to no one - rather...everyone. People can store this at their house, keep it offline. Just to have these seeds of knowledge everywhere. ...I suppose LLM's trained on this data, essentially their model weights and tokenization are…

People didn't want to buy apples new headset because it was too expensive at 3500 dollars. You think anyone would spend 3000 dollars on such a thing? I doubt it.

There are plenty of gadgets that people are willing to spend over 3k dollars on. So it just depends on what value you thing you can get out of it.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by kragen »

account42 wrote: post #205
kragen wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh

Consider not spewing bs instead of sighing.

disagreeing with you is not the same thing as spewing bs. in fifteen years you'll see i was right

looking at your comment history, the most likely explanation for the disagreement is that you're out of your depth discussing geopolitics, the history of innovation, and international trade, so you're limited to repeating the ideas you're surrounded by, and even the best-founded counterarguments to them appear to you as 'bullshit' because you aren't familiar with the background knowledge they're based on

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Post by 0xBDB »

freejazz wrote: post #194
account42 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Patent term is 20 years from the date of filing, and doesn't begin to run until the patent issues, which is usually years after it was filed. It's incomprehensible to me how you can seriously argue that the US patent term is too long 20 years is too long for many things where after that time the technology is no longer relevant. Remember that the entire point of intellectual property is to encourage creation in ord…

>And exponentially increasing fee does not allow an indefinite term because noone has infinite money. At some point the fee will be more than the entire global wealth. Don't be obtuse. If 20 is too long, telling me that it can't actually be indefinite* isn't a great argument. So it can be 40 years if they pay? How is that better?!?

Literally exponentially increasing means that if the fee is $2 in year one, it's just over a trillion bucks in year 40. Even with inflation, if a patent is important enough to someone to finance the entire welfare state, I say let them have it, and I'm an IP abolitionist too.
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