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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by jitl »

CapeTheory wrote: post #335

I have fallen in love with Zed on Mac, so glad to see it will still be an option when I switch back to Linux. My main concern is the collaboration features; just seems like a nonsensical addition. I have zero influence over what editors my teams use, and I work with dozens of different people on collaborative development every year - I'm not going to be persuading anyone to switch, and so that feature is just dead co…

For what it's worth, other major code editors Jetbrains and VS Code also offer real-time collaboration built in. For Jetbrains, it's a paid feature. For VS Code, it's free.

I love the VS Code implementation (haven't reviewed the other two). If I'm pairing with someone remotely, I don't have any issue having them download VS Code. We provide a config in our project repo for VS Code, so it's really quick for people to get set up enough to join the real-time collab session with me. `brew install visual-studio-code` and then `code .` in our repo, plus OAuth with Github to authenticate the collaboration feature.

I think it really is great. Makes pairing much easier, and really speeds up drugery like refactoring 500 cases where it doesn't quite make sense to do a codemod. It's not quite like the upgrade from Word97.exe to Google Docs since we have git, but it feels similarly amazing to "just" to be talking about some code, click the other user's icon to jump right to their cursor and help them get unstuck.

I personally bounce between VS Code, Xcode, and nvim+tmux, and I don't have a problem with keeping a "lowest common denominator" editor around for collaboration or pairing. I also keep a regular keyboard at my desk so I don't force people to type on my Glove80/Kinesis Advantage.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by jitl »

apatheticonion wrote: post #367

What does Zed use as the UI toolkit? Looking at the code they have a handmade UI toolkit called gpui. Does that map directly to OS/DE specific GUI bindings? I can't find where that's happening EDIT: Holy sh*t, they actually have bindings for each OS and built a Rust abstraction on top of that. That's pretty wild https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/main/crates/gpui/...

I hope they add UI support for proportional type. I've bounced off the editor every time I've tried it since so many UI elements end up truncated or overly wide in general because of the insistence on fixed-width font.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by gpm »

marcodiego wrote: post #121

The last collaborative editor that I could use locally successfully was gobby. Currently its development is very slow or seems abandoned. I've been waiting for Zed because it was introduced as something that was "multiplayer-first" from the beginning. Reading the docs now, it looks like I need a feature called "channels" that I couldn't confirm can be used fully locally. Is there a way to use Zed as a collaborative e…

They've open sourced the server implementation too, but short of figuring out how to run that not that I'm aware of: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/tree/main/crates/colla...

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by garblegarble »

whalesalad wrote: post #307
varispeed wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, call me weird, but why our standards have fallen so low? VSCode may appear fast, but still has massive latency. The Zed website claims 97ms. I can feel it is laggy. Why can't we have response time under 1ms? Even 5ms would be a massive improvement. For me latency is a massive productivity killer as it feels like walking in a swamp and it always puts me off.

I agree with you -- but aiming for 1ms performance is pretty hard. That is 1/1000th of a second. Your keyboard probably has higher latency than that. Physics cannot be defeated in this regard.

Expanding on this, there's a detailed analysis of the various contributors to editor latency (from keyboard electronics to scanout) by one of the jetbrains devs at[1]. They show average keypress-to-USB latency for a typical keyboard of 14ms!

1: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by mhuffman »

sa-code wrote: post #175
llagerlof wrote: post #72

Just a suggestion. One of the best features of pure text editors (and incredible, not all of them implement it) is autosave keeping the "unsaved" state of the file. For example, if you make some changes in a file (new or not), don't save the changes, close and open the editor, the state of the opened files are kept like I never had closed the editor. The unsaved files are still unsaved. New edited files are still the…

Sublime works this way and I do appreciate it

Just an fyi, I have shot myself in the foot with Sublime's version of this. I became dependent on using unnamed/unsaved documents for quick notes, then at some interval I would clean up. And because Sublime would remember, I could rest safe that they would be there even if closed and reopened until I cleaned them up myself. Well, I also got so hooked on Sublime, I set it as my default system text editor. Then, (more than once), I would click a downloaded text file or something that would open in another window. Then after browsing or something I would be back in my original Sublime window. Close it for the day and as I was closing other windows realize there is another Sublime window still open with that document that I read early ... and all my other temp notes were gone! If you are good at grepping you can still find the files cached on your system with a little work, but something to watch out for. Or just get used to saving files somewhere.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by mirpa »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #332
scblock wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A typical 60 Hz screen refresh is 16.7 ms

If you haven't tried a 144hz or even a 240hz gaming PC, you should. You can really feel the difference dragging things around the screen. (I'm not sure I would notice typing, but for dragging windows around I could never go back to 60fps.)

I can certainly tell difference between 60 and 120 Hz in fast paced games, but I would not notice it in UI.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by Aeolun »

theoperagoer wrote: post #234
sensanaty wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use it as my main editor (I'm far too used to the Jetbrains editors to make the switch, they're just too smart), but it's the best one for CLI apps that use EDITOR, like git. It boots up basically instantly even when it hasn't been launched in a while and I can make my commit messages and immediately close stuff up at the speed of my thought.

+1 for the Jetbrains gang.

The plus side for using Jetbrains is you can switch to literally anything else and it’ll feel lightning fast.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by Aeolun »

MrJohz wrote: post #110
handsaway wrote: post #26

I tried zed for a few weeks because I'm generally sympathetic to the "use a native app" idea vs Electron. I generally liked it and its UX but: 1. VSCode is pretty damn fast to be honest. Very rarely is my slowdown in my work VSCode loading. Maybe I don't open very large files? Probably 5k lines of typescript at most. 2. Integration with the Typescript language server was just not as good as VSCode. I can't pin down e…

Yeah, this was mostly my experience. The Zed editor was fast, but it just felt like it wasn't as good as other editors. For me, the version control integration was particularly poor - it shows some line information, but diffing, blame, committing, staging hunks, reviewing staged changes etc are all missing. There were a bunch of decisions that felt strange, although I can imagine getting used to them eventually. For…

Have to agree on the VCS story. I’d switched over to using Zed more or less permanently, but I eventually moved back because I kept having to open Intellij to resolve conflicts.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by VoxPelli »

jitl wrote: post #381
CapeTheory wrote: post #335

I have fallen in love with Zed on Mac, so glad to see it will still be an option when I switch back to Linux. My main concern is the collaboration features; just seems like a nonsensical addition. I have zero influence over what editors my teams use, and I work with dozens of different people on collaborative development every year - I'm not going to be persuading anyone to switch, and so that feature is just dead co…

For what it's worth, other major code editors Jetbrains and VS Code also offer real-time collaboration built in. For Jetbrains, it's a paid feature. For VS Code, it's free. I love the VS Code implementation (haven't reviewed the other two). If I'm pairing with someone remotely, I don't have any issue having them download VS Code. We provide a config in our project repo for VS Code, so it's really quick for people to…

I do believe one can join collab sessions from https://vscode.dev/ as well? So no need to install anything, it runs well and officially in the browser

And for those with installed VSCode they need to add the Live Share extension to get this functionality, it’s not built in from the start, but offered through that official extension? https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=MS-vsliv...

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