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Training of Physical Neural Networks

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Re: Training of Physical Neural Networks

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So it sounds like these PNNs are essentially analog implementations of neural nets? Seems like an odd choice of naming to call them 'physical'.

Makes sense as opposed to "abstract." With the constant encoding and decoding that has to be done when things are going in an out of processors and storage (or sensors), digital processes are always in some sense simulations.

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Reminds me of the evolutionary FPGA experiment that was dependent on magnetic flux or something. The same program wouldn't work on a different FPGA.

Re: Training of Physical Neural Networks

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Reminds me of the evolutionary FPGA experiment that was dependent on magnetic flux or something. The same program wouldn't work on a different FPGA.

Here's the paper about it: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/2737441_An_Evolved_...

And a more approachable article: https://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits/

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Reminds me of the evolutionary FPGA experiment that was dependent on magnetic flux or something. The same program wouldn't work on a different FPGA.

What thy did was overfitting. We later found other ways of getting around the issue.

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Well, the brain is a physical neural network, and evolution seems to have figured out how to generate a (somewhat) copiable model. I bet we could learn a trick or two from biology here.

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Well, the brain is a physical neural network, and evolution seems to have figured out how to generate a (somewhat) copiable model. I bet we could learn a trick or two from biology here.

Some parts are copiable, but not the more abstract things like the human intellect, for lack of a better word.

We are not even born with what you might consider basic mental faculties, for example it might seem absurd, but we have to learn to see... We are born with the "hardware" for it, a visual cortex, an eye, all defined by our genes, but it's actually trained from birth, there is even a feedback loop that causes the retina to physically develop properly.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the brain is a physical neural network, and evolution seems to have figured out how to generate a (somewhat) copiable model. I bet we could learn a trick or two from biology here.

Some parts are copiable, but not the more abstract things like the human intellect, for lack of a better word. We are not even born with what you might consider basic mental faculties, for example it might seem absurd, but we have to learn to see... We are born with the "hardware" for it, a visual cortex, an eye, all defined by our genes, but it's actually trained from birth, there is even a feedback loop that causes…

They raised some cats from birth in an environment with only vertically-oriented edges, none horizontal. Those cats could not see horizontally-oriented things. https://computervisionblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/cats-and...

Likewise, kittens with an eye patch over an eye in the same time period remain blind in that eye forever.

Re: Training of Physical Neural Networks

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Last time I read about this the main practical difficulty was model transferability. The very thing that makes it so powerful and efficient is also the thing that make it uncopiable, because sensitivity to tiny physical differences in the devices inevitably gets encoded into the model during training. It seems intuitive this is an unavoidable, fundamental problem. Maybe that scares away big tech, but I quite like the…

Well, the brain is a physical neural network, and evolution seems to have figured out how to generate a (somewhat) copiable model. I bet we could learn a trick or two from biology here.

The way the brain does it is by giving users a largely untrained model that they themselves have to train over the next 20 years for it to be of any use.
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