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Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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> Affirmative action makes minorities feel like they don't deserve to be there Does it? I see a lot of affirmative action victims saying that it _ought_ to make them feel that way, but I never hear that from affirmative action recipients.

You’ve never heard anyone in those groups have imposter syndrome? It’s very common.

Isn't imposter syndrome just... pretty common in any STEM field? Maybe especially in anyone who isn't a neurotypical cishet white man.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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I have seen data presented multiple times showing the relation between a country’s wealth and/or economic freedom and women’s participation in stem fields. It’s a negative correlation. I often wonder if we should just be focused on maximizing individual freedom and let the chips fall where they may. This will result in some professions with extreme sex imbalance, and we should accept that outcome.

> This will result in some professions with extreme sex imbalance, and we should accept that outcome. We do accept it, for the most part. I don't see many Men-as-Teachers or Men-in-Nursing advocacy groups.

>or Men-in-Nursing advocacy groups.

thats been changing. mostly because there are more obese people now so you need male nurses to help them move around.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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People with wizard-like skills are out there but typically can't command the salaries they used to. Todays SWEs tend to know far less about how computers operate and how protocols work than in the old days.

The reality is that thanks to those tech wizards, most companies don't need tech wizards to build tech products and most tech workers don't need to know anywhere near as much as you would need to back in the days. The same kind of "I just love to code" tech wizard that builds an amazing service/library/product, overworks itself while letting big companies extract max value out of it and contribute nothing or extremel…

> Every day I think of the Homebrew creator who got rejected by the company that uses his software daily. This should be in the mind of every dev imo.

To be fair, he does not come across as the kind of person you would want to work with, no matter what kind of software he is able to produce. Once hired, others actually have to work with him in such companies. In fact, Apple did end up hiring him soon after said rejection but quickly determined he wasn't a good fit there either. No wizard is worth having by your side if they make your life miserable.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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The reasons for closing haven't really been elaborated on, just commented on as sad and devastating; I haven't managed to glean anything more from the rest of the article. However, it's incredible to me to keep an organization like this going for 17 years. The landscape is constantly shifting and looking back at the world and technology from 2007, and even 2014, they've survived a lot. Going down now just shows how b…

>However, it's incredible to me to keep an organization like this going for 17 years.

Exactly. Say what you want about the state-of-affairs today, imagine what the women in tech landscape looked like almost 20 years ago! I'm sure they accomplished a lot, and that's awesome.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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She says she’s closing it “with a heavy heart”. It sounds like she wanted to continue.

I could read it as either way. It could be a sadness to see it come to and end, but still having full agreement the time has come. It could also be a sadness because financial hurdles or other operation hurdles are making it near impossible. It's hard, but I get it either way.

I had a similar thing happen to me. I did science and posted it on my blog. It helped a few million people, but I didn't monetize very hard.

I hated people would call it blogspam, despite it being science and it being donation based.

I switched to b2b.

I'm happy there are people who use business to make the world a better place. I'm never doing that again, profit first.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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Huh. You'd think all the organizations that attribute their challenges in hiring non-male engineers to a "pipeline problem" would've spent a small fraction of their recruiting budgets helping to fund Girls in Tech...

Nobody inside the org cares about gender ratios, but they do have to react to people outside of the org who care a whole lot. It's easier to explain reality than to try and change it.

Idk, I've read b2b contracts that have demands similar to this. They arent explicit, its softer.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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I've been developing software for a living for 40 years now (even longer if you include when I wasn't developing software for a living) and I feel that the pace of change has dramatically slowed down in the past 10 years: - We've stabilized web front ends - Mobile application development has stabilized - Architecture patterns are well-known and there are plenty of (now legacy) products with which to implement them -…

>I feel like it's easier than ever to develop software, It's also inversely proportional more difficult to get hired nowadays in those fields though. Back then when (for example) mobile dev was just getting started you could get hired with absolutely zero experience since nobody had any experience, but now there's a laundry list of requirement even for junior positions which are few compared to senior positions and t…

Isn't that how all mature industries work?

Now that things have settled down and have been standardized, there's a set of things that all developers are expected to know. It was easier to "wing it" back when that wasn't the case. People used to evaluate you based off your aptitude and ability to learn new things and stay abreast with the industry, nowadays those skills aren't so valuable as is someone who knows how to do the work and get things done on time.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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Huh. You'd think all the organizations that attribute their challenges in hiring non-male engineers to a "pipeline problem" would've spent a small fraction of their recruiting budgets helping to fund Girls in Tech...

That would require an monetary investment into DEI, which has become a negative investor signal for many large companies. It's a shame, because I've met several developers who benefited from Girls in Tech's work.

monetary investment into DEI, which has become a negative investor signal for many large companies

can you please explain that or point to some articles about it?

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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> It is important to understand the reasons for that negative correlation. Agreed 100% > If you do, your conclusions would be quite the opposite This is where you lose me. Your statement here suggests the following: 1. That you know, for a conclusive fact, what those reasons are 2. That the reasons suggest something ominous Furthermore, you haven't explained what you consider to be the reasons, let alone offered expl…

Both boys and girls from Asian countries tend to be more interested in STEM.

Because it's a commodity job where they can provide value to western corporations without having to be physically located there, and there's huge demand for them because of their low cost.

Re: Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

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Yes, anyone who deliberately increases the supply of something does so in an effort to diminish the price of something.

I mean, that's the effect of increasing the supply, but I doubt its the motivation for most people.

It is the motivation when the buyer tries to stimulate expansion of the supply, per the topic at hand, though.
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