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Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by [deleted] »

evertonfuller wrote: post #31
MultiRRomero wrote: post #20

Am I the only one who doesn't find this all that positive? I already think scientology is bad/evil/dangerous, and I think that illegally getting access to their secrets might make the opposition (us) look worse in the public eye. Everybody has dirty secrets, both sides, and it's a bit low to go after the other side's private emails. It'd be much easier to fight/debate against their public image, which is easy enough,…

Right with you. This is illegal, plain and simple. Acts like this should not be celebrated. No matter if it's against the 'bad' guys.

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Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by fleitz »

tptacek wrote: post #53
NathanKP wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would day almost every religion has dirty secrets, because with power over people comes evil actions. Scientology in particular has a bad reputation of engaging in particularly dubious activity though, as even a cursory inspection of their history will reveal.

Oh, well then, to hell with the rule of law.

Rule of law? That's a quaint pre-2001 POV.

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by sidcool »

ma2rten wrote: post #56
pud wrote: post #46

It troubles me a tiny bit to see comments on HN like (paraphrased) "Members of [group that has different religious beliefs than me] are evil." I am not defending religion or Scientology.

Scientology is not regarded a religion everywhere. In Germany it is considered a cult instead and it is even on a government watchlist. As students we were warned about it in school. EDIT: I was just looking at Scientology's (English) Wikipedia page and came across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_warning_leafle... . I though it would illustrate my point. Those are three government-issued leaflets w…

In America here, it's a state recognized religion with a Church of their own. Hell, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist. That cult is a money hoarding organization. I wish this hack attack happened in America.

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by lmkg »

pud wrote: post #46

It troubles me a tiny bit to see comments on HN like (paraphrased) "Members of [group that has different religious beliefs than me] are evil." I am not defending religion or Scientology.

Objections to Scientology are not (for the most part) based on their religious beliefs, but their practices and behaviors. They have a history of being aggressively litigious, similar to patent trolls[1], and have used frivolous lawsuits to harass critics into giving up the fight. There are also some indications that they're emotionally abusive to their members, and encourage them to cut off all contact to non-Scientologist friends and family. These allegations are difficult to substantiate, in part because the Church is so aggressive about quelling criticism.

In general, the Intarwebs regard Scientology as an organization that invests substantial financial and legal resources in limiting free speech on the internet. This is generally unpopular, regardless of who is doing it. The Church's status as a religious institution is largely immaterial to this perception.

[1] Very similar, actually. They claim copyright on their religious writings, and use that to sue people who release them.

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by drivingmenuts »

sidcool wrote: post #63
ma2rten wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scientology is not regarded a religion everywhere. In Germany it is considered a cult instead and it is even on a government watchlist. As students we were warned about it in school. EDIT: I was just looking at Scientology's (English) Wikipedia page and came across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_warning_leafle... . I though it would illustrate my point. Those are three government-issued leaflets w…

In America here, it's a state recognized religion with a Church of their own. Hell, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist. That cult is a money hoarding organization. I wish this hack attack happened in America.

Rescinding previous comment and dropping out of this argument. I don't have a dog in this hunt nor do I care to.

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by drivingmenuts »

tptacek wrote: post #52
pud wrote: post #46

It troubles me a tiny bit to see comments on HN like (paraphrased) "Members of [group that has different religious beliefs than me] are evil." I am not defending religion or Scientology.

Very yes. It troubles me more than a tiny bit. What does this have to do with HN? We'd flag off posts about Scientology as irrelevant. So basically, this is at the top of the page as a celebration of hacking organizations nerds don't like. It's how we nerds do bullying. And I think Scientology is probably a criminal organization.

I have to agree. This seems to fall outside of the general purview of HN, even at it's broadest.

And I don't have any evidence that Scientology is "evil" nor do I have any interest in pursuing such knowledge.

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by nnnnni »

dfc wrote: post #49
fjh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (in German, of course) That's what I would have assumed, but many of them are actually written in (mostly hilariously bad) English for some reason. They also seem to be using quite a lot of jargon, which seems to consist entirely of English words or phrases.

> They also seem to be using quite a lot of jargon First time reading CoS material? Anything in particular? LRH was an american so it is not surprising that the domain specific jargon is english...

"domain specific jargon"

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Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by StavrosK »

ma2rten wrote: post #56
pud wrote: post #46

It troubles me a tiny bit to see comments on HN like (paraphrased) "Members of [group that has different religious beliefs than me] are evil." I am not defending religion or Scientology.

Scientology is not regarded a religion everywhere. In Germany it is considered a cult instead and it is even on a government watchlist. As students we were warned about it in school. EDIT: I was just looking at Scientology's (English) Wikipedia page and came across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_warning_leafle... . I though it would illustrate my point. Those are three government-issued leaflets w…

"Cult" just means "a religion I don't like".

Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails

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Post by Spooky23 »

StavrosK wrote: post #69
ma2rten wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scientology is not regarded a religion everywhere. In Germany it is considered a cult instead and it is even on a government watchlist. As students we were warned about it in school. EDIT: I was just looking at Scientology's (English) Wikipedia page and came across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_warning_leafle... . I though it would illustrate my point. Those are three government-issued leaflets w…

"Cult" just means "a religion I don't like".

Usually people distinguish a cult from a mainstream religion based on the level of control that the movement exerts over its members.
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