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Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails
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You're a little confused. He's a Mormon, not a Scientologist.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not straightforward to distribute via Bittorrent anonymously.
What hurdles/risks are present in bittorrent that are not incurred when uploading to a free file hosting service? I do not think bittorrent and/or free file services provide any serious level of anonymity against a group with pockets as deep as the CoS. Let's not forget these are the people that brought down anon.penet.fi... N.B.: I also updated my post to include using a tor hidden service. I thought I had included…
Because uploading it to a free file hosting service can easily be done via a compromised machine and/or tor (don't know how well uploading large files over tor works though) - maybe even a library/public computer, making it quite hard to trace (though when using a public computer you need to take other precautions, like avoiding surveillance cameras). Also since nothing is made public instantly you have time to erase any traces.
With bittorrent you need at least one seeder that is available long enough to feed the swarm (in decent time), during that time a lot of things can go wrong (if anything goes wrong when uploading to a free hosting service you just start over, nothing lost).
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
What hurdles/risks are present in bittorrent that are not incurred when uploading to a free file hosting service? I do not think bittorrent and/or free file services provide any serious level of anonymity against a group with pockets as deep as the CoS. Let's not forget these are the people that brought down anon.penet.fi... N.B.: I also updated my post to include using a tor hidden service. I thought I had included…
Just use Tor bundle and that’s it. The only way you can shoot yourself in foot is if you use flash uploader and that bypasses Tor (fortunately plugins are disabled in Tor bundle AFAIK). Seeding via Tor? You need to configure Torrent client to use Tor, make sure it doesn’t leak anything (DNS lookups, publishing to DHT or tracker, some stuff on the protocol level was a problem as well). There’s nothing that comes worki…
I was assuming someone from anonymous could handle figuring out how to setup tor to seed.
More importantly hosting via hidden service is not worse than uploading to depositfiles. Hidden services protects both the uploader's and the downloader's anonymity and it is much, much, much more resistant to censorship. I am not sure what "hosting gets breached" has to do with the discussion.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Au contraire. Journalists are highly motivated to plough through the data for the scoop. ("Data scoop" is certainly an interesting development in our 21st century, btw!) I'm happy to let a highly motivated person do the ploughing, and give me the highlights, especially about a subject as marginally interesting as Scientology.
Au contraire? Respectfully, in my opinion sitting back and hoping someone else has the motivation to be inquisitive/curious is counter to the spirit of HN. Furthermore as others have pointed out (as well as myself in another thread) CoS has deep pockets and I imagine that serves as a decent motivation for big media to not publish the incident.
Nothing complex about this--it's a time-saving measure. Obviously there will be plenty of people sifting through this data, and we are free to rely on them to do so.
You don't have to do everything yourself and find every data problem interesting to keep within the 'spirit of HN'.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
What hurdles/risks are present in bittorrent that are not incurred when uploading to a free file hosting service? I do not think bittorrent and/or free file services provide any serious level of anonymity against a group with pockets as deep as the CoS. Let's not forget these are the people that brought down anon.penet.fi... N.B.: I also updated my post to include using a tor hidden service. I thought I had included…
Because uploading it to a free file hosting service can easily be done via a compromised machine and/or tor (don't know how well uploading large files over tor works though) - maybe even a library/public computer, making it quite hard to trace (though when using a public computer you need to take other precautions, like avoiding surveillance cameras). Also since nothing is made public instantly you have time to erase…
And when the hosting service receives the inevitable take down notice from CoS? CoS lawyers brought down anon.penet.fi I am sure they can convince depositfiles that they do not want to go to court.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just use Tor bundle and that’s it. The only way you can shoot yourself in foot is if you use flash uploader and that bypasses Tor (fortunately plugins are disabled in Tor bundle AFAIK). Seeding via Tor? You need to configure Torrent client to use Tor, make sure it doesn’t leak anything (DNS lookups, publishing to DHT or tracker, some stuff on the protocol level was a problem as well). There’s nothing that comes worki…
I was assuming someone from anonymous could handle figuring out how to setup tor to seed. More importantly hosting via hidden service is not worse than uploading to depositfiles. Hidden services protects both the uploader's and the downloader's anonymity and it is much, much, much more resistant to censorship. I am not sure what "hosting gets breached" has to do with the discussion.
I guess it’s not a major issue when just hosting some static content, but still if someone gets access to your server sitting behind Tor, you better make sure you don’t have any activity that can tie you to that server.
This is how some people running CP sites via Tor were caught.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
What hurdles/risks are present in bittorrent that are not incurred when uploading to a free file hosting service? I do not think bittorrent and/or free file services provide any serious level of anonymity against a group with pockets as deep as the CoS. Let's not forget these are the people that brought down anon.penet.fi... N.B.: I also updated my post to include using a tor hidden service. I thought I had included…
Because uploading it to a free file hosting service can easily be done via a compromised machine and/or tor (don't know how well uploading large files over tor works though) - maybe even a library/public computer, making it quite hard to trace (though when using a public computer you need to take other precautions, like avoiding surveillance cameras). Also since nothing is made public instantly you have time to erase…
> With bittorrent you need at least one seeder that is available long enough to feed the swarm (in decent time), during that time a lot of things can go wrong (if anything goes wrong when uploading to a free hosting service you just start over, nothing lost).
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)#Web_seed...
Re: Anonymous Austria leaks 2.8 GB Scientology Emails
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because uploading it to a free file hosting service can easily be done via a compromised machine and/or tor (don't know how well uploading large files over tor works though) - maybe even a library/public computer, making it quite hard to trace (though when using a public computer you need to take other precautions, like avoiding surveillance cameras). Also since nothing is made public instantly you have time to erase…
And when the hosting service receives the inevitable take down notice from CoS? CoS lawyers brought down anon.penet.fi I am sure they can convince depositfiles that they do not want to go to court.
By that time everyone that wants it has it ;)
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Au contraire? Respectfully, in my opinion sitting back and hoping someone else has the motivation to be inquisitive/curious is counter to the spirit of HN. Furthermore as others have pointed out (as well as myself in another thread) CoS has deep pockets and I imagine that serves as a decent motivation for big media to not publish the incident.
Nothing complex about this--it's a time-saving measure. Obviously there will be plenty of people sifting through this data, and we are free to rely on them to do so. You don't have to do everything yourself and find every data problem interesting to keep within the 'spirit of HN'.
It has nothing to do with finding everything interesting. I was speaking about the "if there is ever something interesting, the journalists will investigate/sum it up for me" line of reasoning.
And whats with the "we are free" language, its not a cable news show. When did I ever say that anyone lacked the liberty to do something?