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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by bsimpson »

nasmorn wrote: post #83
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally everything causes death. The question is: will this prevent more deaths from speeding than it causes from mistaken slowdowns?

I used the ACC with automatic speed recognition for about two months but it did too many stupid brakings. I think using GPS to limit to the highest possible speed for highway/roads/city would be fine. But as long as the car can decide that on this highway it really thinks the 40 sign is for the main lane and not the off ramp, I would rather not have it

There are many places where roads are too close together for GPS to be reliable (for instance, frontage roads or spaghetti bowl interchanges).

If you're driving adjacent to or above/below a slower road, the technology needs to know that you're entitled to drive at the faster speed.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

zamadatix wrote: post #82
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cant speak to europe, but in the US you're not supposed to speed up past the speed limit to pass someone, that's illegal. We also don't have "fast lanes" (ie like how the autobahn has sections with no speed limit), we only have passing lanes, but the speed limit still applies in the passing lane. You're not supposed to stay in the left lane for very long

Fast lane probably meant left/passing lane, not unrestricted roads. That you're not supposed to stay in them long is part of why people speed up to pass, otherwise it takes a minute seconds to gain 60 feet on that semi going just under. Speaking to the US as a whole on traffic law is hard to do. E.g. in Washington it is absolutely legal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone on the highway, in California it isn't.…

In my state, it's illegal to go over the speed limit at any point, for any reason. If you want to pass someone, you do so in the left lane, at the speed limit, and then move back over to the middle/right lane. And you best believe you'll get pulled over

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by richwater »

cm2187 wrote: post #19
richwater wrote: post #3

Just another data point for the eventual "EU social credit score"

And another nail in the coffin of the EU. Annoying your voters, great way to salvage your sinking popularity.

I don't understand the downvotes. The surveillance potential of this is _massive_ and dystopian.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by alfalfasprout »

rsingel wrote: post #96
baggy_trough wrote: post #50

Our accursed state senator Wiener is trying to bring the same thing to California.

Love it and love Wiener. One of the most effective legislators in California. Speed limiters/governors are way past due and will save lives and help make streets more liveable

Glad I left California. You guys can keep your limiters.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by isatty »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #44
lolinder wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but I can hazard some guesses: * Very few people drive the speed limit, so you're now stuck at being the slowest car on the road. (This will still be a problem under this law because new vehicles are the only ones affected.) * Inaccurate/out of date speed limits. * Impossible to pass anyone on a two lane road. * Having the car take over control is very disorienting for a skilled driver who expects the machine…

The first doesn't really win any sympathy from me lol. People should drive the speed limit, and I have no sympathy for people who tell me about getting pulled over by cops

In a fantasy world where everyone does, I agree. In our reality if you’re the only one going the speed limit in what’s often not the right most lane then you’re a road hazard.

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Post by parl_match »

gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

> Yes I read the article

Then you'd read that automatic slowing was one of many options, and it's gradual.

> but it's the first step in a very wrong direction

Please explain how, because your current complaint is not based in reality.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by krastanov »

EricE wrote: post #64
scoot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently you didn't. The most proactive method is "a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced", and "the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper", so your hyperbolic reaction is overwrought.

Is it though? When has government regulation ever decreased? Give them an inch...

There are pretty easy examples of decreasing regulations, both in the US and in Europe. The US is particularly easy to come up with examples: the supreme court has banished many regulations, reverting to more laissez faire states, whether related to gun control, campaign finances, TV broadcast rules, rules on marriage, the scope of CDC's or EPA's power, etc. The tax system gets simplified every few decades, after it accumulates cruft.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by [deleted] »

jvanderbot wrote: post #78
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally everything causes death. The question is: will this prevent more deaths from speeding than it causes from mistaken slowdowns?

I wonder how long we can ignore the natural human tendancy to need blame / attribution. The way I think about it is: If, in the limiting case, we replace all driver mistakes with software mistakes, and there's 1/2 as many deaths from these mistakes, but they are uniformly distributed, I am honestly not sure how acceptable this would be to the public. It's like sacrificing people randomly to disallow dangerous drivers…

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by knallfrosch »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #12

> There will be four ways in which ISA systems will work to slow the vehicle down, and it will be up to the manufacturers to pick which one they want to use. The EU regulations permit a system that can use a cascaded acoustic warning, a cascaded vibrating warning, an accelerator pedal with haptic feedback, or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced. > "Even in the case of…

You pin the "disable speed warner" to your infotainment favorites and click it once when starting the car.

With wireless-phone-as-key, keyless ignition and automatic transmissions, drivers of modern cars who disable the speed warner this way still do less than people driving older cars.

The current effect on race drivers is small. It's about the cultural shift towards respecting speed limits and forcing car manufacturers to implement reliable speed recognition tech. Once that in place, the time will be ready to switch to speed limiters.

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