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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by ryandrake »

lolinder wrote: post #20
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was annoying about it?

Not OP, but I can hazard some guesses: * Very few people drive the speed limit, so you're now stuck at being the slowest car on the road. (This will still be a problem under this law because new vehicles are the only ones affected.) * Inaccurate/out of date speed limits. * Impossible to pass anyone on a two lane road. * Having the car take over control is very disorienting for a skilled driver who expects the machine…

> Very few people drive the speed limit, so you're now stuck at being the slowest car on the road. (This will still be a problem under this law because new vehicles are the only ones affected.)

This is by far the most dangerous part. When you're on a freeway where everyone is driving 80-85MPH and you are driving the speed limit of 65MPH, you are the danger to the road. Speed may make accidents deadlier, but the speed differential (whether positive or negative) is what causes accidents. I would not be willing to drive on any of the major Bay Area interstate highways with a car limited to the speed limit. It would absolutely cause an accident eventually.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by petersellers »

EricE wrote: post #64
scoot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently you didn't. The most proactive method is "a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced", and "the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper", so your hyperbolic reaction is overwrought.

Is it though? When has government regulation ever decreased? Give them an inch...

Regulations are removed all the time in the US (see the repeal of Glass-Steagall act as a recent, prominent example)

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

galdosdi wrote: post #76
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first doesn't really win any sympathy from me lol. People should drive the speed limit, and I have no sympathy for people who tell me about getting pulled over by cops

No, OTHER people, not the driver. He's saying OTHER PEOPLE drive over the limit, and OTHER PEOPLE are NOT in your control, so "haveing no sympathy" is irrelevant here. You have no sympathy for me when i find myself driving amongst others who drive above the limit? Their speeds are not in my control. Only mine is. And if the limiter prevents me from going the same speeds as everyone around me, I will be constantly pas…

> You have no sympathy for me when i find myself driving amongst others who drive above the limit?

I also often find myself driving among other people who speed. I stay to the right with the OTHER drivers who are following the law. I always drive the speed limit and it's never a problem for me. Many states' laws require this, anyway (faster traffic to the left, slower traffic to the right).

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by Zigurd »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #22
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was annoying about it?

Nobody follows the speed limit that closely, in the US at least. If my car was hard-capped at the posted limit I'd have a mile-long line of honking tailgaters behind me in no time

Only until speed-limited cars reach a critical mass.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by SoftTalker »

eigenket wrote: post #75
gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

>There will be four ways in which ISA systems will work to slow the vehicle down, and it will be up to the manufacturers to pick which one they want to use. The EU regulations permit a system that can use a cascaded acoustic warning, a cascaded vibrating warning, an accelerator pedal with haptic feedback, or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced. Haptic feedback isn't go…

How many people lift their foot from the brake pedal the first time they experience the antilock system activating?

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by stavros »

leephillips wrote: post #71
gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

This is the fallacy of the slippery slope. The regulation is not necessarily a first step. It can and might very well stop at the driver alert stage. To become an automatic speed limiter would be a new set of regulations, with a new debate and regulatory process behind it.

Sure, but it's that much easier now. The limiter is already there, all they need to do is make it mandatory.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by alfalfasprout »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #11

Please oh please add them to German cars sold to USA too. I would really enjoy watching all the BMWs and Mercedes going the speed limit all the time instead of flying past me with plate obscuring devices and never seeing any consequences

This isn't a problem if you just stay in the right lane.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #22
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was annoying about it?

Nobody follows the speed limit that closely, in the US at least. If my car was hard-capped at the posted limit I'd have a mile-long line of honking tailgaters behind me in no time

If you hog the left lane, sure. I follow the posted speed limit and it's never a problem for me

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by matsemann »

umvi wrote: post #97
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally everything causes death. The question is: will this prevent more deaths from speeding than it causes from mistaken slowdowns?

> The question is: will this prevent more deaths [than the alternative] I hate that question. It's pure utilitarianism and is used all the time to rationalize removing/limiting freedoms in exchange for safety and security. Deaths prevented should not be the ultimate metric unless a totalitarian police state that keeps everyone perfectly safe at all times is the desired end goal. In this case I would rather have the f…

Driving above the limit isn't a "freedom".

Driving is a privilege. Hence why it needs training and a certificate.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

teraflop wrote: post #7

Seems misleading for the headline to call this a "speed limiter", since depending on the implementation it either doesn't affect the car's speed at all, or slows it down in an immediately overrideable way. So there is no actual limit on the car's speed.

From TFA: “The EU regulations permit a system that can use [...], or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced.”

Sounds a hell lot like an actual limiter.

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