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Re: Software-Generated Paper Accepted At IEEE Conference

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Post by fgimenez » Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 9:09 PM UTC

kwamenum86 wrote: post #8

The abstract was craptastic but it is no different from the craptastic abstracts of several human-generated papers. I think part of the problem is the people expect academic papers to be complicated/cutting edge/forward thinking, and therefore not immediately comprehensible. Now I have to admit, the first sentence of the abstract sounded really good but it was all downhill from there. Again though, it was downhill in…

When I was writing my first paper, I legitimately tried to write it so anybody could understand. My test was to have my girlfriend read it and tell me what she thought it was about (not that my girlfriend isn't smart, but she had absolutely no clue what I was working on). When I showed it to the PI, he said I had to revise it all because it was "too juicy."

More specifically, he said there were two reasons against understandable writing:

1) Scientists are lazy, and do not want to read long passages. Coupled with the fact that they are usually pretty smart, they can understand the terse language.

2) Scientific (read: incomprehensible) writing removes all biases. There is no room to interpret something incorrectly if the precise words are used.

I agree though, it's not a very inviting culture that promotes these ideals.

Re: Software-Generated Paper Accepted At IEEE Conference

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Post by kwamenum86 » Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 10:42 PM UTC

fgimenez wrote: post #11

kwamenum86 wrote: post #8

The abstract was craptastic but it is no different from the craptastic abstracts of several human-generated papers. I think part of the problem is the people expect academic papers to be complicated/cutting edge/forward thinking, and therefore not immediately comprehensible. Now I have to admit, the first sentence of the abstract sounded really good but it was all downhill from there. Again though, it was downhill in…

When I was writing my first paper, I legitimately tried to write it so anybody could understand. My test was to have my girlfriend read it and tell me what she thought it was about (not that my girlfriend isn't smart, but she had absolutely no clue what I was working on). When I showed it to the PI, he said I had to revise it all because it was "too juicy." More specifically, he said there were two reasons against un…

That's my point though. Even extremely smart people can stumble on a dense abstract. It is the nature of language- just because I know what I mean does not mean that you do. Even if you write something that can only be interpreted correctly in one way, there is still room for misinterpretation or total lack of understanding.

I was really trying to say that if a paper with no meaning made it through screening (no matter how light) then maybe the papers are too dense.

In response to 1), I have always found that scientific papers provide more verbose explanations for even simple concepts. I have reread entire paragraphs three times only to discover that I already have a firm grasp of the concept being discussed and can explain it in a single sentence. But it probably just depends on the author and the verbosity could be explained by your 2): removing all uncertainty by explaining exactly what you mean.

Re: Software-Generated Paper Accepted At IEEE Conference

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Post by quantumhobbit » Thu, Dec 25, 2008, 6:34 AM UTC

fgimenez wrote: post #11

kwamenum86 wrote: post #8

The abstract was craptastic but it is no different from the craptastic abstracts of several human-generated papers. I think part of the problem is the people expect academic papers to be complicated/cutting edge/forward thinking, and therefore not immediately comprehensible. Now I have to admit, the first sentence of the abstract sounded really good but it was all downhill from there. Again though, it was downhill in…

When I was writing my first paper, I legitimately tried to write it so anybody could understand. My test was to have my girlfriend read it and tell me what she thought it was about (not that my girlfriend isn't smart, but she had absolutely no clue what I was working on). When I showed it to the PI, he said I had to revise it all because it was "too juicy." More specifically, he said there were two reasons against un…

I think that this is a failing of modern science. It leads to fragmentation between fields. Of course most chemists can read a chemistry article, but a brilliant physicists will stumble on the same article without the common language shared among chemists. This makes interdisciplinary collaboration difficult if not impossible. Each field develops their own version of major concepts. I've taken quantum mechanics courses from both the chemistry and physics departments at the same university. They might as well have been speaking different languages the notations and presentation of concepts were that different.This also makes life tough for those entering a field such as grad students and scientists who switch fields.

Magazines such as Scientific American used to help by featuring article geared towards scientist outside their specialty, but now SciAm seams more geared toward the lay reader.

I think many researchers have a deep-seated insecurity that they aren't smart enough. They hide behind jargon and incomplete explanations to make their research appear more complicated than it really is. Most concepts in science and especially computer science are pretty easy when explained well and next to impossible when obfuscated with unfamiliar jargon.