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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by mr_mitm »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #25
gambiting wrote: post #9

This is one example of legislation that mandates fantasy tech that doesn't exist. You'd think that something as simple as speed limiter should be very easy to implement, and it couldn't be further from the truth - watch any review of a car with this tech and every reviewer will complain that it's not the presence of the system that's the problem, it's the fact that it constantly gets the speed limit wrong. Either rea…

Agreed that the general case is hard to solve. I think you could at least make a case for solving a simpler problem. What's the highest legal speed limit in the country in which the car was sold? Set a global speed limit to that.

That will finally stop the Swiss from speeding in Germany

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by silisili »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #29
gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

This uses GPS data, not optical recognition

If that's similar to what Google Maps uses, it's wildly inaccurate. There are three places I drive regularly that it's way, way off on.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by prions »

robertlagrant wrote: post #37
prions wrote: post #17

Bit funny how the article states that the systems are unobtrusive as to be essentially useless, which ignores the fact that these systems are defanged to appease entitled speeders. Governments around the world impose various requirements on vehicle speeds, most notably ebikes being capped at 20mph for "safety reasons". Meanwhile private cars can travel at over 100mph for no apparent reason other than to not upset dri…

Ebikes go where bikes go, that's why. They can mingle with pedestrians. They don't require a licence to operate.

Class B and C mopeds in NYC are speed limited and require a license and registration

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by scoot »

gruturo wrote: post #18

This is terrifying. I routinely cross a bridge with a 30ton weight limit, which my car mistakes for a 30km/h speed limit sign. I would cause an average of 2 accidents per month if I suddenly slowed from 70 to 30 and the people behind me weren't paying attention. The technology is _not_ there and this won't save lives, potentially it will cause deaths. (Yes I read the article, this is initially only "for the driver's…

Apparently you didn't. The most proactive method is "a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced", and "the system can be smoothly overridden by the driver by pressing the accelerator pedal a little bit deeper", so your hyperbolic reaction is overwrought.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by Swizec »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #4
ghaff wrote: post #2

A number of years back I had a rental car (in Arizona possibly) that had a speed limiter that was at the speed limit--or just above--as I recall and it was incredibly annoying.

What was annoying about it?

My experience of learning to drive in Europe is that there are roads where the speed limit is 90kph but any non-local sane person will drive 60kph (most mountain roads) and there are roads where the limit is 130kph but regular traffic flows at 140kph and many people cruise (safely) at 150kph. The people actually doing 130kph on the left lane (trucks go 90 on the right) can be a safety hazard.

And like others have said, the laws actually say "speed limit unless passing". Because passing is dangerous and should be done as quickly as possible.

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

oneepic wrote: post #30
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was annoying about it?

I would have to guess you can't speed up to pass another vehicle (think bus or truck, or maybe a dangerous situation) and then you will piss off anyone in the fast lane who does not have these limiters.

Cant speak to europe, but in the US you're not supposed to speed up past the speed limit to pass someone, that's illegal. We also don't have "fast lanes" (ie like how the autobahn has sections with no speed limit), we only have passing lanes, but the speed limit still applies in the passing lane. You're not supposed to stay in the left lane for very long

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by kbolino »

croes wrote: post #27
seydor wrote: post #6

Is there actual data that these make driving safe?

Hardly because they didn't exist widespread before. Speed limits on the other hand are proven to reduce accidents.

> Speed limits on the other hand are proven to reduce accidents.

There have been speed limits on every road in the US for over half a century; how did they conduct a controlled study?

Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by seattle_spring »

dyauspitr wrote: post #26
peppermint_gum wrote: post #14

>There will be four ways in which ISA systems will work to slow the vehicle down, and it will be up to the manufacturers to pick which one they want to use. The EU regulations permit a system that can use a cascaded acoustic warning, a cascaded vibrating warning, an accelerator pedal with haptic feedback, or a speed control function in which the speed of the vehicle will be gradually reduced. This is more like a "spe…

A cascading vibration warning sounds like it would make going fast feel more exciting.

Like a Rumble Pak[1] for your car!

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_Pak

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