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Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.

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How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.

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This is a pretty hot take, which is likely why you're getting downvoted, but I can at least attest to this sort of stuff happening all the time. I recently joined a global company and made acquaintances with a Serbian whose family lineage happened to be in preserving history. Our first few non-work conversations were pretty hot debates because we were talking about the same historical events from a completely different viewpoint (mainly around the actions of NATO in that area).

Anyway, I've since learned of some non-Western outlets to see the "other" side of things, and it's very interesting to compare and contrast the differences.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.

There are better and worse ways to do fact checking. Appealing to evidence is more objective than appealing to vibes or appealing to baseless authority.

Once solid evidence is in sight then are usually some clean objective takes to be had and some fairly obvious or likely subjective takes that a reasonable viewer might have.

The real problems happen when one side objects to what counts as evidence at all or one side puts forward low quality evidence and claims it is beyond reproach.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to…

ex-Apple doesn’t really give much credibility either. For a hardware startup yes but for a AI fact-checking startup? unsure.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to…

I am not sure that ex-Apple is really worth anything here. Apple is a kingdom. Unless you are Tim or one of his close team, your opinion on product does not matter, you will do what you are told. So, unless you are one of those few people, "ex-Apple" means that you are very good at executing on things you were clearly told to do. I would gladly hire any ex-Apple engineer and be sure to get a great hire! But hiring ex-Apple product people...

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to…

Execs like these fail upwards by chasing funding that they can incinerate in bonfires of "innovation" and "disruption."

For whatever reason, the failure of their tenure at past companies (or the failure of their past companies outright) are usually not held against them.

But wait, these execs need insane compensation because, conveniently, "they have the special skills needed to be an exec" [see my first sentence].

SV and the tech world has this idea that many execs and founders are something like Steve Jobs. They love to promote that image. Actually, from my experience, they're more like Elizabeth Holmes or your random MBA/MBB alum psychopath failing upwards.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Two reasons commonly cited: - The perception that founders with big tech "credentials" stand a better chance of success than those without. The founders of Humane were ex-Apple. - The idea that founders will generally be more successful on their second try, even if their first ended up being a complete trash fire - see Adam Neumann's new venture. This one sounds more reasonable on the surface but I've got no data to…

> This one sounds more reasonable

yeah, for example, purchasing a magazine about surfing

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