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Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by throwawaysleep »

robofanatic wrote: post #34
voidfunc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

> just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future. I don't think corporate programmers are obsolete. How will a sophisticated AI programmer in the future be any different than a human programmer in an outsourcing firm?

The role will remain, but the job will change dramatically into one with a higher level of product focus. The "software craftsmen" type will become more obsolete than they are already. RAM used to matter. Now, who even looks at how much RAM their app uses?

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by namanyayg »

dylan604 wrote: post #3
namanyayg wrote: post #2

That was just cold email, so the authors could have probably ignored it I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Even if they do, it is unlikely that they will stop sending their AI spam outreach This is just the normal state of the web now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yes, but then they couldn't have blogged about it

exactly

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by namanyayg »

Pingk wrote: post #5
namanyayg wrote: post #2

That was just cold email, so the authors could have probably ignored it I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Even if they do, it is unlikely that they will stop sending their AI spam outreach This is just the normal state of the web now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're missing the point, it doesn't matter if it was spam or not - The point is that automating creativity is not a useful way of facilitating content creation. We should be automating the tedious behind-the-scenes stuff.

While what you're saying is morally and ethically correct, unfortunately we have entered times where the capitalistic machine doesn't find this to be true.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by bronco21016 »

esafak wrote: post #27
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

The mantra is "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes". - Joanna Maciejewska ( https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 )

I think the missing piece is the generative AI being tied to a physical embodiment. My point is, we need the physical machine but we also need to work on this generative AI aspect to manipulate the machine. Unfortunately, making pictures and writing text seems to be the lowest hanging fruit of the Transformer AI era since we have significant datasets already available. Several companies are working on creating datasets to train transformers to apply to other tasks and I suspect we'll start seeing the results in a couple to a few years. Not sure how long before we have a consumer bot doing the laundry and dishes though.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by temporarely »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #37
buttercraft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. This viewpoint is what fucked up the world.

No, this viewpoint is the only reason a shirt doesn't cost a month's wages. Weavers once had similar arguments, decrying machinery that made cloth. Imagine how many more video games and movies can be made when we don't need anywhere near as many artists as before. How many more diagrams in textbooks. How many extra illustrations for Wikipedia. There are tremendous benefits to making art something anyone can get for d…

But Cotton is not Culture.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by namanyayg »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #26
namanyayg wrote: post #2

That was just cold email, so the authors could have probably ignored it I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Even if they do, it is unlikely that they will stop sending their AI spam outreach This is just the normal state of the web now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Hell, I doubt anyone on the other end even wrote the original email.

yup, it's probably an automated system end to end.

and it's definitely getting the spammers a lot of leads and sales.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by yuppiepuppie »

kapp_in_life wrote: post #39
esafak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mantra is "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes". - Joanna Maciejewska ( https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 )

Sure, but many people who are bad at art and writing would like AI to make art and writing that's tailored to their tastes and are fine doing laundry and dishes since they're good at that and we have already automated 99% of it with dishwashers and dryers.

The actual washing of the dishes we have automated, not the loading unloading, folding of clothes and organizing them in my closet. I spend at least 1 hour a week on that stuff… ~52hours per year I could be doing art and writing.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by roughly »

esafak wrote: post #27
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

The mantra is "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes". - Joanna Maciejewska ( https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 )

SMBC with a similar sentiment https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sad-2

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by pavel_lishin »

namanyayg wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Hell, I doubt anyone on the other end even wrote the original email.

yup, it's probably an automated system end to end. and it's definitely getting the spammers a lot of leads and sales.

Probably not as many as they wish, or as you think.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by dsr_ »

kapp_in_life wrote: post #39
esafak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mantra is "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes". - Joanna Maciejewska ( https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 )

Sure, but many people who are bad at art and writing would like AI to make art and writing that's tailored to their tastes and are fine doing laundry and dishes since they're good at that and we have already automated 99% of it with dishwashers and dryers.

You missed the point.

One of those scenarios is available. The other isn't even being worked on in any serious fashion.

And you definitely don't get to tell people that your product is just fine, they are wrong for wanting something else.

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