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Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by buttercraft »

voidfunc wrote: post #7
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

> I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking.

This viewpoint is what fucked up the world.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

voidfunc wrote: post #7
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

I suspect most artists (and I used to be one, at one time[0 - 1]), would take advantage of AI tools. I suspect that the posting was really just exhibitionism, on the part of the site owners (I really wouldn't bother with that kind of thing, myself).

But I think that telling people to do a good job "on their own time," kinda sums up the zeitgeist of today's tech industry.

[0] https://littlegreenviper.com/art/Cavalier.png

[1] https://littlegreenviper.com/art/Sentinels.png

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by i_am_proteus »

voidfunc wrote: post #7
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

You don't have to see the reason why other people prefer their passions to profit-seeking. There might not even be a reason! That's how passions work.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by tayo42 »

Pingk wrote: post #5
namanyayg wrote: post #2

That was just cold email, so the authors could have probably ignored it I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Even if they do, it is unlikely that they will stop sending their AI spam outreach This is just the normal state of the web now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're missing the point, it doesn't matter if it was spam or not - The point is that automating creativity is not a useful way of facilitating content creation. We should be automating the tedious behind-the-scenes stuff.

There is still tedious stuff when your doing content creation. Like if your hacking a website together and need something that doesn't look bad as your favicon. maybe your making a 2d game and need a bunch of tree pictures

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by nox101 »

Pingk wrote: post #5
namanyayg wrote: post #2

That was just cold email, so the authors could have probably ignored it I doubt anyone on the other end will read their reply Even if they do, it is unlikely that they will stop sending their AI spam outreach This is just the normal state of the web now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're missing the point, it doesn't matter if it was spam or not - The point is that automating creativity is not a useful way of facilitating content creation. We should be automating the tedious behind-the-scenes stuff.

lots of artists are using generative AI to help them make art.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by jprete »

voidfunc wrote: post #7
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

Profit-seeking is just another way of optimizing everything else out of existence, and that's an excellent reason to overrule it.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by webdood90 »

voidfunc wrote: post #7
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Most artists, like most programmers are working in a commercial capacity. I see no reason why "their passion" should overrule profit-seeking. Do art for the sake of art on your own time. But expecting companies to not embrace AI to do their jobs is foolish just like it's foolish to think corporate programmers will be a thing at some point in the future.

Capitalism - love it or leave it!

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by timcobb »

> Artists’ work has been harvested in order to train large language models

The idea of publishing something these days has become quite unappealing. For me, there's something dehumanizing about being used as LLM training data. Not that my thoughts are unique or interesting or special. But, man...

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by jaredsohn »

woah wrote: post #8
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> most artists love their work and do not want to outsource their passion to a machine that does this for them. This was the money quote. I love what I do (which tends to be programming, but I approach it as a craft), and often do things by hand, that others automate, because I love my work, and also the people that use it.

Limited edition source code print on archival quality acid free parchment, signed by the developer

I'd also like to see the results of hand-tracing of variable values done separately by the developer for each copy. Maybe have several developers do it as an extra check.

Re: Another AI company wrote us and here’s our response

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Post by dtertman »

Years ago I went to a BBQ cooking class run by the owner of a small, one-location restaurant in Chicago. He said that Sysco and US Foods reps called him every single day to talk about outsourcing his pulled pork and brisket to them.

This feels oddly similar, except there's only a couple Sysco's and US Foods' and probably thousands of AI Content Farm startups at this point.

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