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Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by wintermutestwin »

cpach wrote: post #69
allemagne wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because the supply of housing for tourists and residents alike has not kept up with demand. Maybe in someone's ideal world we can put everyone in a city into the categories of "outsiders" and "residents" and enforce a strict regime where "outsiders" are strictly prohibited from occupying housing that rightfully should go to "residents", but we don't live in a world where that's possible. If Airbnb didn't exist s…

There’s something called zoning, and its used in a lot of places to do things like separating hotel areas and residential areas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoning

…and that is a major plus to using Airbnb. I don’t want to have to be in a tourist zone because they, just like hotels, suck.

Airbnb has turned me into a traveller because they disrupted the hotel industry. When a city bans airbnb, they are banning me from visiting.

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by hindsightbias »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #71
cpach wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s something called zoning, and its used in a lot of places to do things like separating hotel areas and residential areas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoning

…and that is a major plus to using Airbnb. I don’t want to have to be in a tourist zone because they, just like hotels, suck. Airbnb has turned me into a traveller because they disrupted the hotel industry. When a city bans airbnb, they are banning me from visiting.

So Barcelona builds 50K homes and 49K are airbnb’d.

Build it and they will come.

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by mandibeet »

bilsbie wrote: post #28

We really just need more places. We basically have the same number of tourist destinations as when the population was 1/3 the size. No one is making more places to visit.

Leading to overcrowding and increased competition for the same locations

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by hindsightbias »

luzojeda wrote: post #39
7e wrote: post #3

This is the utterly foreseeable consequence of the HN-funded Airbnb, which effectively lets rich tourists drive up the cost of living of city residents.

I find weird why this is being downvoted comparing to some Airbnb related comments on a same situation 3 years ago but in Amsterdam: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28903530

People are less and less considering themselves as part of the problem.

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by pvaldes »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #16

There's two sides to this story. Claiming that tourism is just a negative is just plainly wrong: [1] 2021: Barcelona started to recover, recording direct tourist spending of €3.7 billion with 4.5 million visitors. This marked a significant improvement as the city began reopening and international travel resumed. [2] 2023: Tourists in Barcelona spent €9.6 billion in 2023, up 14.7% from 2019 More than 12 million people…

> Claiming that tourism is just a negative is just plainly wrong

Would be a logical step if your real goal is to attack the economy of the country. Foreign agents are getting short of ideas in the book it seems

Or surely I'm paranoid and some morning lots of people waked up as a single organism with the genius idea of stopping tourism harassing people and squirting water on them and their cameras and phones, just because

We have seen before variants of the "is just water haha" stunt used on politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADrXpW33RNk

A seemingly innocuous zero legal consequences method to spread paranoia if needed, or Legionella if convenient. Specially if you can convince a bunch of useful idiots to provide lots of cover for you.

Also used by idiots to torment a political opponent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muzsNEEQOjU

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by gfxxxx »

morkalork wrote: post #20

Why is mass tourism such a problem today and not the 90s/2000s. Is it really all thanks to platforms like Airbnb allowing cities to host so many more tourists that is the problem?

I used to live in Rome in the late 90s. As many as tourists as there were, and there were many, the volume must have doubled in twenty years.

Last time I visited, I felt an overwhelming anxiety that Rome didn't exist anymore. Instead I was walking through an amusement park shaped like it.

Friends I spoke to, who live in the Alban Hills, told me they'd stopped going to Rome 10 years earlier. Which is insane because she can trace her family in Rome proper to the 16th century.

Re: Mass tourism protesters squirt water at Barcelona tourists

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Post by llamaimperative »

dtboogie wrote: post #55
llamaimperative wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The subtext, which is absurd when made explicit, is that if not for tourism then those 100,000 people would not have jobs. In reality, jobs are created in response to demand, and you can obviously have arbitrarily large economies that are ~0% reliant on tourism and there's no reason to suspect Barcelona et al couldn't or wouldn't produce such an economy for itself in lieu of tourist demand.

All the waiters and tour guides can't just re-train as semi-conductor technicians. Even given time, it's not obvious that Barcelona or Spain has the necessary pre-conditions to be globally competitive in another industry that would bring in the same amount of dollars per capita. It's an extremely ambitious, all-hands-on-deck type of national undertaking to shoehorn your way into something. Japan did it with auto-manu…

Uhh right, which is why allowing your economy to become a tourism-dependent monoculture is not good.
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