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Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#191
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way that I trust the developers of a company like Ticketmaster to install their app on my device.

You don't trust your OS to sandbox it? With a threat model like that, I wouldn't use any apps other than the browser

From the AppStore:

Data Linked To You:

Purchases, Location, Search History, Usage Data, Financial Info, Contact Info, Identifiers, Sensitive Info.

Nope Nope Nope.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#192

This sort of ticketing thing is a trivially solvable problem. It is solved at every airport in the entire world millions of times per day. You provide the name of each concertgoer when you buy a ticket, and they show up with their ticket and ID. You often need to show your ID at these kinds of venues to prove you're old enough to drink beer anyway.

The issue is most likely about throughput. You want to let fans enter the venue as quick as possible. Most venues have lots of gates, but still the latency at each gate has to be a handful of seconds per ticket. Having to validate both ticket and ID would easily double or triple that time.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to be that guy but do you have literally any source for this? Might just be the musicians I like, or the fact that negativity is better for clicks, but I've never seen an artist saying they get any benefit from ticketmaster's fees and other such shenanigans; I've only seen artists and venues saying that they don't get any money or benefits at all from ticketmaster's racketeering.

From the Ticketmaster website: > ticket fees (which can include a service fee, order processing fee, and the occasional delivery fee) are determined by and shared between the parties who have a hand in making live events happen including venues, Ticketmaster, sports teams, leagues and promoters When the artist doesn't want their fans to be charged big fees - they have some say in it. Robert Smith of The Cure made a s…

> they have some say in it

That's a very carefully crafted sentence. How much, exactly, do artists have a say? Do artists equally have the same amount of "say"?

And why are we even discussing all these nonsense in the first place?

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#194
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't trust your OS to sandbox it? With a threat model like that, I wouldn't use any apps other than the browser

Maybe you are using a fully open phone, but mine has an OS made by Google and almost every app tracks my location without my consent.

For the past 9 years, Android has allowed users to disable location permission per app. More recently, you can choose to share "noisy" location, which just provides an approximation of your location.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#195

It's baffling that you have to carry a mobile phone to access a show. What if you run out of battery? Or if you accidentally break the screen just before entering the venue? The more the technology evolves the more we find horrible uses for it. People should fight back by refraining from purchasing tickets from them, I know is not easy for people to miss their favorite artist but until a monopoly is broken there is n…

I had to use something like this to get into The Killers gig last week at the O2 in London (fantastic gig btw, and Andy Bell from Erasure made a special guest appearance to sing A Little Respect which was the cherry on top, but I digress).

The WiFi in the O2 was woeful, and even on "The best network" EE the app wasn't loading.

Eventually after stepping aside and letting a load of people go in front of us I managed to get it to load, but it was a dreadful experience.

Contrast that with seeing the Pet Shop Boys last month in Birmingham where the ticket was on my phone in Apple Wallet was night and day (and you could print the ticket if you didn't have an iPhone, or wanted a physical version).

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#196
post #73

A few months ago I went to Las Vegas to watch U2 at the Sphere. When I learned that I needed to open the app or website in order to get in I panicked in fear of the shitty internet that is common in massive events, so I opened my tickets since I left the hotel. Unless this stuff works completely offline, it is a terrible idea.

As the article notes, this ticket system does in fact work offline.

Pleas notice the "completely" in my comment.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#197

> Software developers are the wizards and shamans of the modern age. We ought to use our powers with the austerity and integrity such power implies. This is one of the most powerful truths underlying the world we currently inhabit. The sooner we can agree to behave accordingly, the better our prospects for ripping the reigns of society from the hands of those whose only animating principles are avarice and exploitati…

> The sooner we can agree to behave accordingly

People don't code out of a sense of duty, they do so to earn money, so there is no mechanism to enforce "behavior."

> our prospects for ripping the reigns of society

There are too many industries that take the mantle of improving society on their back. This is a mistake. There is no natural representative mechanism that ensures your actions are aligned to required outcomes.

This should probably be left to congress. If you're concerned that they won't do it then that should immediately suggest the appropriate course of action to you.

> of those whose only animating principles are avarice and exploitation.

Short term thinking cannot lead to long term rewards without abject manipulation of the marketplace.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#199
post #53

I agree with the bad implement but the opening complaining that "old way of printable tickets was great why change it" have so many problems. Scalpers are the problem that you have to accept. At the time of purchase, there's no way to tell the difference between a legit purchaser and a scalper or even someone who bought it and simply can't go and needs to resell. IDs, ticket limiters, CCs, etc, etc. All methods can b…

Buying something at a low price and selling it at a high price is arbitrage 101 and is free money. The "true solution" is to sell tickets at their actual market price instead of pretending that the face value of concert tickets isn't increasing due to a larger population and greater demand.

Buying a single-use item at any price and then selling it on at any price to multiple people is fraud.

Fiddling with the prices does absolutely nothing to fix that problem, because it isn’t a problem with price, but a problem with developing an unduplicatable token.

Ticketmaster is evil, and most resellers are fine, but some are evil and that’s a problem this at least attempts to solve.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#200

> Software developers are the wizards and shamans of the modern age. We ought to use our powers with the austerity and integrity such power implies. This is one of the most powerful truths underlying the world we currently inhabit. The sooner we can agree to behave accordingly, the better our prospects for ripping the reigns of society from the hands of those whose only animating principles are avarice and exploitati…

This is a wild take. Software developers do the dirty work. We're one step below wall street.
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