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Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#151

This sort of ticketing thing is a trivially solvable problem. It is solved at every airport in the entire world millions of times per day. You provide the name of each concertgoer when you buy a ticket, and they show up with their ticket and ID. You often need to show your ID at these kinds of venues to prove you're old enough to drink beer anyway.

Flying requires an ID. Attending a concert should not. Any solution that is solved by "simple, just require an ID" is not a solution.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#153

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You don't understand how people at their companies evaluate stuff like this. Any solution that increases capital or operating expenditures for them or the venues (half of whom they own, if I remember correctly?) is a non-starter if it doesn't generate some increase in revenue. They will not do anything they don't have to do if it means any impact to their bottom line whatsoever . We see it as "pennies per transaction…

Well that's where I'd argue they are negatively impacting their bottom line. > These rotating barcodes on the other hand are far from perfect. I experienced this first-hand last year when I attended another very popular concert where they used a similar rotating-QR-code-ticket system. Numerous people including myself and my friends were floundering at the entry gate citing a bevy of broken barcode problems. ... > The…

> I experienced this first-hand last year when I attended another very popular concert where they used a similar rotating-QR-code-ticket system. Numerous people including myself and my friends were floundering at the entry gate citing a bevy of broken barcode problems.

That's a different system. The article makes it clear that the Ticketmaster system works offline if you have opened it on the mobile app. Which they don't want to install.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#154

With regards to the end of the article. > Can I work for a bad company and still be a good person? > No. https://apenwarr.ca/log/20201121

I'm glad we cleared that up. Now all that remains is a good, measurable definition of what a bad company is.

If you're asking the above question, it means you already think the company is bad according to your own morals.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#156
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It's piracy in a way that's analogous to ripping like Netflix content. You are breaking away from DRM which is piracy. They also cite the potential to have multiple tokens valid per one ticket which would let multiple people get in with the same ticket.

I'd argue that a few extra people sneaking in on the same ticket (assuming this is even possible) is more like sharing your Netflix credentials than ripping Netflix content and having it be shareable with the entire world. You're also walking into a stadium/concert in plain view of security cameras, so the stakes and deniability are different as well.

Not a lawyer, but "subverting DRM" (even if it's trivial or really stupidly designed) can be a crime in and of itself in the US under the DMCA. There are a bunch of exceptions to this, so I have no idea if OP's work is actually illegal.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#157
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I dont think it’s a truth. Shamans and wizards (never heard this used to describe anyone in history but let’s assume it’s just any kind of supposed magic user) were people at the top tier of their societies in terms of political power. Not kings or chieftains, but above everyone else. Programmers are just making a living selling their labor power like every other office drone in the world. We’re one of the most commo…

Are there any documented examples of societies where "magics", "shamans" or "wizards" were at the top of the hierarchy? I gotta say, I'm an avid reader of Ancient History and Anthropology and the closest I can think of is the Priest-Kings of Sumeria and your garden variety theocracy and the latter is much more of a priestly bureeacracy than anything else...

Perhaps not at the top in terms of day to day decision making and wealth, but the first that came to mind would be celtic druids and bards.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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IOW the true solution to scamming is to raise prices so high that only the extremely wealthy can afford them, regardless of how accessible the actual concert/act/group/promoter wants the show to be. The "real" solution here would be for Ticketmaster (or whoever) to actually make a ticket non-transferrable somehow, and then allow for tickets to be transferred directly through the original website for at most the origi…

Can’t someone hack your system by selling access to the link you mentioned for $500? Thus getting you the refund Ticketmaster knows about, and the private payment from the desperate buyer. Also, credit card processing fees used to be refunded when you refunded a transaction, but now I think some processors have now decided to start keeping the fees, because why not. Another 3% margin to apply at each sale (though tha…

>Can’t someone hack your system by selling access to the link you mentioned for $500?

Not if they index the resales on their website and make them searchable.

People could still perform arbitrage by snapping up any resales significantly under the original price and reselling them at the original price, but at that point they're not making that much money and people are paying less than the original price, so the impact is just that you can't get a discounted resale. Which still sucks, but it sucks a lot less.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#159
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https://xkcd.com/1390/ I don't see the issue. Every social media site does this, FB was just naive enough to share their research

And this just proved my point. During the Nazi regime, everyone was hating the jews. And everyone was doing fascism. Now to bring this to a close, people like you, who will jump companies for 20_000 and have lost the ability to see a clear ethical violation will be holding the guns and guarding the gas chambers when the next Hitler comes along. Meditate on this. Also this XKCD is dumb. Previously the feed was chronol…

If that proved your point, you didn’t have a point. If you can’t see the difference between genocide and lack of informed consent on a social network algorithm experiment you can’t be helped.

I’m all for moral relativism, but there’s no future in which Facebook’s current actions aren’t at least reasonably debatable, and no past in which Auschwitz was.

If you wanted an example of where the line gets blurry (it does sometimes, just not in either of these) I’d go with pharmaceuticals.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

#160

It's baffling that you have to carry a mobile phone to access a show. What if you run out of battery? Or if you accidentally break the screen just before entering the venue? The more the technology evolves the more we find horrible uses for it. People should fight back by refraining from purchasing tickets from them, I know is not easy for people to miss their favorite artist but until a monopoly is broken there is n…

You can still print the ticket on paper. Tho nowadays that means a trip to a FedEx store for me, since I refuse to keep buying inkjets I only use a couple times a year.
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