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For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

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Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#91

It is frustrating as someone who lives in Canada and has spend so much money to remove coal that India and China have said FU to the world and increased their coal usage. I guess given that those two countries are keeping Russia afloat by buying their oil it shouldn't be a surprise, but its still disappointing to see those countries choosing the path they did.

Note that China's coal usage was basically flat in 2023 and expected to decline in 2024. China's coal capacity is increasing dramatically, but they're increasingly using their coal plants as peaker plants rather than for base production.

For those unaware, China and India do NOT like getting their power from coal. They've both had decades now of abysmal smog and pollution that literally (like, statistically trackable) kills people every year, including people otherwise productive in society. China is absolutely dumping the price of solar panels. A fully renewable energy China is one that is harder for Western countries to sanction, has more prestige with bright blue skies, and exports cheap solar panels to everyone else. India will trend the same way.

Every geopolitically relevant country will feel more secure with renewable, and therefore utterly independent, energy generation.

A reminder that Texas, a uniparty state literally run by Oil Barron families for decades, still gets at least a third of it's power from renewable sources, because it's so goddamned cheap. It doesn't matter how profitable oil is, or how much you pump, it will always be cheaper, and therefore more profitable, to replace it with power that just manifests itself out of the sky or wind for merely the cost of maintenance.

Each oil well requires tens of highly skilled, rather well paid tradespeople to manage, drill, run, explode, etc. An entire field of wind turbines requires one or two small teams of somewhat well paid maintenance engineers.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#92

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I agree. The times they are a-changing, but we have a particularly regressive government at the moment that is actively blocking renewable production. The unfortunate bit about having the most sun is that during winter we still don't get much of it. It seems to me we need as much storage as we do production.

> The times they are a-changing, but we have a particularly regressive government at the moment that is actively blocking renewable production. I guess Canadian politics are not unlike US politics in the area of energy production. You'd think that most of the jobs in non-renewable energy could just transition over to jobs in renewable energy and everyone's happy. But sadly, like everything, the energy source itself h…

I think there's simply not enough jobs in renewables - once a solar farm is operational maintenance is a fraction of production, unlike the oil sands or rigs which require constant human intervention.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#93

ElectricityMaps zone CA-AB: https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/CA-AB?wind=false&solar=... Total fossil gas generation capacity is ~12.7GW. Seems straightforward to replace with solar, wind, batteries, and interconnects with neighboring grids. Wind and Solar Potential resource: https://www.pembina.org/pub/wind-solar-alberta

If you're curious, you can actually see the real-time stats for what's going on in Alberta: http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServle... . There's lots of solar and wind installed but wind right now isn't producing much at all. Solar's doing decent though!

Honest question: Is it clear that wind really could not produce more electricity right now? Depending on the way producers are chosen and the net is "congested" the wind farms might just not be allowed to contribute.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#94

It is frustrating as someone who lives in Canada and has spend so much money to remove coal that India and China have said FU to the world and increased their coal usage. I guess given that those two countries are keeping Russia afloat by buying their oil it shouldn't be a surprise, but its still disappointing to see those countries choosing the path they did.

As a Canadian it’s hard for me to be upset given we still emit far more carbon per capita than China or India.

I suppose there could be worse problems though. According to Bloomberg, as of a few years ago there were more people in India who didn't have access to electricity at all than live in all of Canada, and not insignificant portion of our population is of recent Indian descent. This source reports ~10% of their population https://www.iea.org/reports/sdg7-data-and-projections/access...

As a Canadian (but not Albertan) I've never had direct access to the residual economic effects of oil resources, or the slight tax offset that comes with having no Provincial Sales Tax, aside from general gov redistribution. I've never not had electricity, and I've never not had renewable electricity, which is quite remarkable.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#95

It is frustrating as someone who lives in Canada and has spend so much money to remove coal that India and China have said FU to the world and increased their coal usage. I guess given that those two countries are keeping Russia afloat by buying their oil it shouldn't be a surprise, but its still disappointing to see those countries choosing the path they did.

As a Canadian it’s hard for me to be upset given we still emit far more carbon per capita than China or India.

But would that be true if Canada had 1 billion people?

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#96

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> Being larger isn't a disadvantage. It most certainly is for distribution and generation near population density.

Or easier. With germany you can't just put solar panels around a big city because either the city is too big or the land is occopied by something else. But hey good that we talked about it :D

wow, i think you really missed the point:)

Germany is a relativly small country even compared to Alberta. therefor the population is pretty centralized with makes it far easier to supply with energy.

Alberta has 2 larger cities but the population is spread far a nd wide which makes distribution and supplying power that much harder.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

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Now it's mostly natural gas, instead! With a good chunk of wind, but the current government seems to dislike "renewables"

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#99

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Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction accounts for 8.21% of Canada's GDP. So, not so much, but let's all take a moment to stare at the horror show that is the 13% that is real estate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada Edit: I realize that source is from 2020, which may be skewing those numbers, but it seems that statista still roughly agrees in 2024. https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gr…

> let's all take a moment to stare at the horror show that is the 13% that is real estate. 12% in both USA (2023) and Mexico (2015). Other countries that use a similar classification seem to also be in the same range. Japan, for example, also sits at 12% (2022). Is a single percentage point really that horrific?

This is the most interesting bit of information in this entire comments section:

Japan, which has a completely different view, model, and concept of real estate that does NOT treat it as an investment, ends up with the same portion of GDP locked/used/coming from real estate.

I feel like there's important information in that tidbit, but I am not equipped to grasp it.

Re: For the first time in more than 150 years, Alberta's electricity is coal free

#100

It is frustrating as someone who lives in Canada and has spend so much money to remove coal that India and China have said FU to the world and increased their coal usage. I guess given that those two countries are keeping Russia afloat by buying their oil it shouldn't be a surprise, but its still disappointing to see those countries choosing the path they did.

I can understand the frustration from a climate change perspective, but you still get the benefits of cleaner air locally, increasing energy independence and freedom from commodity cost fluctuations.
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