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Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

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Post by asveikau »

jrm4 wrote: post #38
Filligree wrote: post #3

Okay, but X11 is deprecated. Is there a modern version?

At the risk of threadjacking, I'd still love to have a real conversation about how and why this Wayland thing happened (and is still arguably happening) so badly . Specifically, how -- again, in LINUX-LAND -- a whole bunch of people decided, "nah, we're going to go ahead and break the HELL OUT OF backwards compatibility this time, even though we pretty much never do this."

Linux actually does this a lot. Jwz called it "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" more than 20 years ago, describing GNOME.

Look at audio. PulseAudio is mostly pointless and over-engineered. Breaks a lot. You could say the same about ALSA even. FreeBSD meanwhile is still using the OSS API that Linux was on in the late 90s...

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

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Post by jimbosis »

jesprenj wrote: post #19

Ohhh, that's what it's for! I use it for scaling x11 apps with the run_scaled script that's shipped with xpra (:

I'm half-heartedly trying to RTFM of 'xpra', but haven't found the 'run_scaled' script yet. If it's not too much trouble, can you please reply with the commands you use to scale an X11 program?

(I'm on Devuan Daedalus 5.0, ~= Debian Bookworm 12.0.)

(I currently use 'xzoom' to scale X11 programs, but it's a little kludgy.)

EDIT: Single quotes for all program names. Bookworm, not Bookwork.

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

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Post by elitepleb »

jimbosis wrote: post #45
jesprenj wrote: post #19

Ohhh, that's what it's for! I use it for scaling x11 apps with the run_scaled script that's shipped with xpra (:

I'm half-heartedly trying to RTFM of 'xpra', but haven't found the 'run_scaled' script yet. If it's not too much trouble, can you please reply with the commands you use to scale an X11 program? (I'm on Devuan Daedalus 5.0, ~= Debian Bookworm 12.0.) (I currently use 'xzoom' to scale X11 programs, but it's a little kludgy.) EDIT: Single quotes for all program names. Bookworm, not Bookwork.

https://github.com/kaueraal/run_scaled

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

#47

Post by lostmsu »

hparadiz wrote: post #18
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #15

I tried Xpra for remote applications some four to five years ago when I migrated from Windows to Linux and needed a Remote Desktop (type) alternative. I stuck with it for a while in advance of numerous other options, until I found NoMachine - which doesn't do remote applications but does do full remote desktop and has the closest 'feel' to being local-machine than anything other than Windows Remote Desktop. I (ironic…

KRDP Server is getting there. I was able to play Civ VI over it from my Macbook Air with decent fps.

Sadly you first have to login locally in order to use it. Or has that changed yet?

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

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Post by jrm4 »

This might be a good place to ask this:

So, the idea of Firefox Sync is almost cool, but what I'd like is literally everything EXACTLY "synced," down to the current state of every tab.

Something like this feels like it should do it, but I've tried this and other things, and it just didn't work all that seamlessly.

Has anyone accomplished anything like this for browsers and use it regularly?

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

#49

Post by jrm4 »

asveikau wrote: post #41
jrm4 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of threadjacking, I'd still love to have a real conversation about how and why this Wayland thing happened (and is still arguably happening) so badly . Specifically, how -- again, in LINUX-LAND -- a whole bunch of people decided, "nah, we're going to go ahead and break the HELL OUT OF backwards compatibility this time, even though we pretty much never do this."

Linux actually does this a lot. Jwz called it "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" more than 20 years ago, describing GNOME. Look at audio. PulseAudio is mostly pointless and over-engineered. Breaks a lot. You could say the same about ALSA even. FreeBSD meanwhile is still using the OSS API that Linux was on in the late 90s...

Ha, I'm showing my age. You're right, my brain is still at "Linux around the year 2000."

That being said, it's still the same problem.

And I think that's why I find it odd that I haven't heard the argument more plainly stated like:

"Oh look -- right around when Linux became mainstream, it began to get worse in precisely the same ways proprietary stuff was already bad. Probably a result of more business involvement, but how can we counter it."

Re: Xpra: Persistent Remote Applications for X11

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

KronisLV wrote: post #17
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #15

I tried Xpra for remote applications some four to five years ago when I migrated from Windows to Linux and needed a Remote Desktop (type) alternative. I stuck with it for a while in advance of numerous other options, until I found NoMachine - which doesn't do remote applications but does do full remote desktop and has the closest 'feel' to being local-machine than anything other than Windows Remote Desktop. I (ironic…

For remote desktop use cases, I’ve found RustDesk to be pretty good, especially if you can self host the relay: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk I especially enjoyed that I can use AV1 for the encoding (better quality even at lower bitrates), being able to switch resolutions easily and also the response times being pretty quick.

Haah.

No need for a relay.

I have a zerotier network for my Machines and it works "locally".

Rock solid. Public network is pretty crummy.

With your zerotier / tailscale, you have not 100% control and no overhead of a relay

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