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The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by fuzzfactor »

zw123456 wrote: post #50

I am old enough to remember when people said TV was a passing fad. And the radio. And the printing press. And the telegraph. And the written word. I mean come on you lazy shlubs, memorize Beowulf like we had to back in my day. OK, I am not actually that old. My point is, that with every technology that has been invented to improve, or expand the ability of humans to communicate, there have been the detractors and nay…

>people said TV was a passing fad.

It survived, hypnotic ads are an amazing thing.

Think of all the billions over the decades it took to finally get video ads on the internet that were deemed as engaging as old analog color TV.

You've got to pay for it somehow.

>The internet is already over

Nah, just a multi-year commercial break . . . Well, maybe I don't know how easy it would be to tell the difference any more.

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Post by MARK1947 »

alx_the_new_guy wrote: post #43

Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing. Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc). At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link. I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far a…

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Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

imiric wrote: post #151

This is an overly wordy article, that I think misses the mark. The internet _as the Western world knows it today_ will not be the same in a few decades. But then again, it's hardly the same today as it was 30 years ago either. A few things affect this: - Advertising. It's everywhere and corrupts every form of media. Content is made to appease advertisers, and web services are built to extract data from users. The int…

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Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by MrVandemar »

anal_reactor wrote: post #148
MrVandemar wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poverty is not an indicator of intelligence, wit, or thought. However, it feels like you are experiencing a profound poverty of all of those exact things. You elitist little shit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4641149/ Children from poor families perform worse on intelligence tests. https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/39/5/820/7008955?login=... Lack of cognitive abilities correlates with low income. Your move.

You can't use those studies to say "poor people" = "stupid". That kind of blanket statement is the kind of fairy tale elites tell each other to make them feel good about being selfish rich pricks ("oh, I worked hard for what I have. They just don't work hard enough" kind of bullshit).

Some children from poor families perform worse on intelligence tests.

Lack of cognitive abilities correlates with low income in some cases that we studied.

Poverty is not an indicator of intelligence, or courage, or character. Poverty is an indicator that something in our society is profoundly broken and needs fixing.

I work in a medical practice. I see all kinds. I see dumb rich people and I see smart poor people.

And here's some poor people, or people who grew up poor: Stephen King. Aristotle. Jennifer Lopez. Oprah. Ghandi. Jim Carey. Shania Twain. JK Rowling. Jesus of Nazareth. Charles Dickens (who wrote stories about grinding poverty).

I'm not a fan of some of those people, but I'd love to speak to any and all of them, because I'm sure I'd learn something!

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by api »

lmm wrote: post #72
api wrote: post #15

This person is just, like many others, mistaking the death of public social media and the open web for the death of being online. All the interesting activity has retreated to Discord, Slack, Telegram, Mastodon, Signal, private and niche boards, game chats, etc. This stuff is all taking place in private rooms and small silos. If you aren't in them, you don't see it. Reddit still has a bit of a pulse but is probably o…

Yep. This is someone who's too old to be invited to the cool parties any more and thinks that means Manhattan is over.

I’ve found that ageism is kind of not even a thing. The problem is that the cool parties are not where they used to be but as people age they usually don’t update their priors. Same goes for the internet.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by iwontberude »

zeta0134 wrote: post #51
alx_the_new_guy wrote: post #43

Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing. Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc). At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link. I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far a…

By far, the majority of my time "online" these days is spent in a Discord server for enthusiasts that are also interested in my hobby. Due to the server's small size and narrow niche, moderation is straightforward and we rarely have any issues with trolling. We don't allow political discussion, which mostly allows members of diverse backgrounds to interact safely, since triggering discussions don't come up very often…

Political decisions and sex are part of being a human being so I encourage communities to sometimes do that. Not all of them, but we need more spaces for adults to be adults. Too many hacker spaces are sterile in this way. Moderation is worth the challenge.

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Post by breck »

the_gipsy wrote: post #157
breck wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For 10 years. $10 a year. The important thing is to find people committed to building great sites for the long run. If you're not willing to put in a little bit of money, then it's not for you.

One, Asking for even a dollar makes it inaccessible to a vast part of the world's population. Two, it just makes the project sound like a scam. There are a myriad of "simple web" projects out there that do technically a "basic web like in the good ol' days", no money required, and actually have specs and implementations to show, in contrast to "a folder". Check out https://geminiprotocol.net/ . They have clients avai…

Here's some more info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40904466

> Asking for even a dollar makes it inaccessible to a vast part of the world's population

Downloading/reading the WWS is always free. It only costs money if you want to own/build a part of it.

> Two, it just makes the project sound like a scam.

I've worked on this project for over 12 years (https://breckyunits.com/treeNotation.html). If this is a scam, I'm really bad at scams!

First the first time ever, people are now giving me money for it, which will give us the funds to expand the project to realize its potential.

> They have clients available, and even some content!

Have you tried `wws fetch pldb`?

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by anal_reactor »

MrVandemar wrote: post #174
anal_reactor wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4641149/ Children from poor families perform worse on intelligence tests. https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/39/5/820/7008955?login=... Lack of cognitive abilities correlates with low income. Your move.

You can't use those studies to say "poor people" = "stupid". That kind of blanket statement is the kind of fairy tale elites tell each other to make them feel good about being selfish rich pricks ("oh, I worked hard for what I have. They just don't work hard enough" kind of bullshit). Some children from poor families perform worse on intelligence tests. Lack of cognitive abilities correlates with low income in some c…

> You can't use those studies to say "poor people" = "stupid".

You started talking about intelligence. I only said I don't want to hang out with poor people, for one reason or another.

From my perspective, it's the entire package of the problems they come with. It's true that there are many interesting people from unprivileged background, but when interacting with a random poor person, you're unlikely to run into someone interesting.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

leovingi wrote: post #161
avh02 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that it would be open and really big. I think that was the aspiration, but nobody realized there were so many people who thought 5G caused corona (and similar lack of thought process) until it was too late.

>so many people who thought 5G caused corona literally nobody thought this, perhaps except a handful of oddballs. If you want to make your case for describing the state of the internet, please avoid nonsense exaggerations like this.

>literally nobody thought this, perhaps except a handful of oddballs.

So not literally nobody?

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by benfortuna »

nickdothutton wrote: post #77

We got the Internet that advertising built. This was not how we (well some of us early 90s and before) users assumed it would pan out. It has been my experience that private Internet communities (groups, forums, messaging chats) are where the quality discussion happens these days. Away from the advertising and the controversy seeking (and anti-tech) mainstream media reporters.

In the 90s we dreamed of replicators, holodecks and supportive technologies. The crew of the Enterprise certainly didn't walk around with their head in their tri-quarters all day.
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