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The internet is already over (2022)

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Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by lolinder »

roncesvalles wrote: post #90
mrkramer wrote: post #13

My take on declining online social engagement is; a lot of people like to consume online content passively e.g. just reading Facebook posts or watching a YouTube video without actually liking or commenting. Another thing is; increasing number of people came to realize that privacy does matter and they refuse to participate in online dramas that can damage their reputation or harm their mental health.

99% of my social media engagement is on anonymous social media because whatever I do on real-identity social media is either broadcast to everyone I know by the platform (FB, LinkedIn, Twitter), or becomes indexed by search engines, and unfortunately my firstname+lastname is globally unique. In fact I would say this is the singular reason why Facebook declined. I just don't want my 8th grade classmate to see that I l…

Yep, or a prospective employer when I'm in my 40s to see what my political opinions were in my 20s. The more polarized and politicized everything gets the more careful a watch I keep on what turns up when you Google my name. What's well inside the Overton window today won't be in five years and I'm not willing to risk my career on the assumption that even I will still agree with myself in a few years.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by suzzer99 »

nickdothutton wrote: post #77

We got the Internet that advertising built. This was not how we (well some of us early 90s and before) users assumed it would pan out. It has been my experience that private Internet communities (groups, forums, messaging chats) are where the quality discussion happens these days. Away from the advertising and the controversy seeking (and anti-tech) mainstream media reporters.

Like this site, one of the highest signal to noise ratios on the internet because no one has any incentive to game it.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by darmon333 »

nickdothutton wrote: post #77

We got the Internet that advertising built. This was not how we (well some of us early 90s and before) users assumed it would pan out. It has been my experience that private Internet communities (groups, forums, messaging chats) are where the quality discussion happens these days. Away from the advertising and the controversy seeking (and anti-tech) mainstream media reporters.

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Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by jart »

asdff wrote: post #94
alx_the_new_guy wrote: post #43

Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing. Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc). At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link. I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far a…

It might be better to instead say, what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group? I think most people are on discord because its fashionable and they are unfamiliar with older technology like mailing lists, which were more common place when they were only children perhaps.

Staying one step ahead of HR and lawyers? They monitor everything you do over email.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by jart »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #16
_7acn wrote: post #4

I've been using the Internet since the days of Netscape Navigator and 14.4 kbit/s dial-up modems. Maybe it's just that I'm getting older, but I really miss the old Internet. Ironically, it felt less "anonymous" back then, and it was easier to be part of a community — users knew each other. Now, everyone is here, and the quality of content has significantly declined.

I’d like to offer an alternative: people who still write on personal blogs and like to interact with each other. https://ooh.directory is constantly growing if you want to look for things to read. https://kagi.com/smallweb Is a fun alternative way to discover new content. I started a series almost a year ago to help people discover interesting humans and their blogs: https://peopleandblogs.com/ Bearblog has a discove…

> https://kagi.com/smallweb Is a fun alternative way to discover new content.

Thanks for this. It's the best thing since webring. I recently switched to Kagi. I didn't know they were patrons of the spirit of the old web too. That makes me even happier to be giving them my money.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by wruza »

daelon wrote: post #98
wruza wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the point of commenting a youtube video, have you ever seen the comments there? Liking a video makes your feed piled up with a semi-relevant crap for a week. Sometimes (increasingly often) I have to dislike an otherwise good video because I don’t want to screw up my recommendations.

Removing it from your watch history might be more effective than disliking.

Agreed, I do both actually.

Also “don’t recommend channel” for truly obnoxious ones. I follow through 3-4 of their videos so that they start to appear in the side column and then kill it from there, removing all traces afterwards.

In my experience,

- Don’t recommend channel - strong flag, but doesn’t modify “interests”.

- Not interested - removes this exact video with a very low key tuning of recommendations, if at all.

- Dislike - a slightly pronounced signal for recommendations. But still clueless cause no info on why.

- Like - you’ll drown in content similar to this, but not the same quality. Get ready to shovel it and miss your previous interests completely.

- Comment - similar to like.

The default careless youtube experience without all that stopped working around 5 years ago (at least). Can’t imagine using it as is and not degenerating into something inhuman.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by johnny22 »

asdff wrote: post #94
alx_the_new_guy wrote: post #43

Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing. Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc). At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link. I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far a…

It might be better to instead say, what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group? I think most people are on discord because its fashionable and they are unfamiliar with older technology like mailing lists, which were more common place when they were only children perhaps.

I'm almost never looking for a mailing list. I've been on the internet for 20 years and they never fill the same niche as IRC. Same for discord. mailing lists can't do what it does.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by kibwen »

wruza wrote: post #75
tonymet wrote: post #48

The internet is over , if you want it . All the doomerism is gone if you avoid it. You can take back your life if you just go for it

Is there a specific url to go?

There is! See the following website, which has endured for about 30 years now: https://hmpg.net/

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

asdff wrote: post #94
alx_the_new_guy wrote: post #43

Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing. Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc). At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link. I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far a…

It might be better to instead say, what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group? I think most people are on discord because its fashionable and they are unfamiliar with older technology like mailing lists, which were more common place when they were only children perhaps.

> what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group

Having to click on multiple links to just make sense of a conversation?

It's the reason I can't even get myself to follow places like NANOG and LKML; because the experience is just so painful. It makes you almost immediately want to disengage from the subject matter.

Re: The internet is already over (2022)

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Post by worstspotgain »

Here's some contrarian optimism. Assume google doesn't lead anywhere anymore. SEO won. Enshittification factor 0.999.

Just train a LLM, your new search engine. Like-minded folks making the enshittified portions transparent.

E-mail spam used to be a thing, until one day it wasn't. AI just generalizes the process.

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