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"AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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Am I the only one who almost never experience any hallucinations when talking to ChatGPT? I have to really push it into a corner with trick questions and conflicting instructions about obscure topics in order to trigger hallucinations. That it would just come up with random false facts about something as common and "basic" as the history of the Greek language sounds like a made-up issue.

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Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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I don't buy into the rhetoric about misinformation but the author touches on a real concern. I blame ChatGPT and other LLM clients for not surfacing their fallibility more clearly. They should highlight claims in their UX and allow options for the user to "research" or "verify" in their own way, without relying on that very flakey single one-shot inference. The big honchos (Anthropic, OpenAI) need to make it clearer…

Just to be clear, the "tiny disclaimer" is directly below the prompt box and says "ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info." So it is interesting that anyone would take a hard stance that their prompt results are true facts without checking any important info (particularly after someone highlights this if they somehow missed it).

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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> Not as wrong as the author thinks. From Britannica.com: "Greek language, Indo-European language spoken mostly in Greece. Its history can be divided into four phases: Ancient Greek, Koine, Byzantine Greek, and Modern Greek."

The language evolution is commonly divided into four stages.

isn’t the same as

Four distinct languages had an influence on the development of this fifth language.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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post #39

Am I the only one who almost never experience any hallucinations when talking to ChatGPT? I have to really push it into a corner with trick questions and conflicting instructions about obscure topics in order to trigger hallucinations. That it would just come up with random false facts about something as common and "basic" as the history of the Greek language sounds like a made-up issue.

I know it feels like 4o has been out forever but go back to the 3.5 model without internet access for a while, which is all that a lot of students can afford.

It’s kind of terrible.

But yeah ever since I could start adding “and include an explanation with citations” to my prompts I’ve not had an issue with hallucinations more than once or twice.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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The great problem with ChatGPT is that it's a sycophant and aims to please. If you ask it about something it doesn't know, right then and there, it will concoct a fiction for you. It won't say "I don't know," or "I can't help with that." If you coach it to respond to something in a certain way, it'll respond that way for you as its top priority. If you ask it to review a text, it'll usually find a way to give you at…

Interesting. Copilot on the other hand is more like a conceited, passive aggressive brat who uses some polite phrases but aborts conversations if you contradict it too much.

The only smooth conversations with Copilot are the ones where you allow it to regurgitate "facts" and act in a submissive manner.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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The great problem with ChatGPT is that it's a sycophant and aims to please. If you ask it about something it doesn't know, right then and there, it will concoct a fiction for you. It won't say "I don't know," or "I can't help with that." If you coach it to respond to something in a certain way, it'll respond that way for you as its top priority. If you ask it to review a text, it'll usually find a way to give you at…

> “If you ask it about something it doesn't know, right then and there, it will concoct a fiction for you. It won't say "I don't know,"

It doesn’t know that it doesn’t know. Texts it was trained on rarely go “On the History of the Greek Language, by Andros Dimos; ahem what is the history of the Greek language? I don’t know. The end.”

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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post #23

Like probably many people here I still remember having to find facts in books in libraries, before the internet made this skill mostly redundant. Then, as a student I remember having to put together facts from various (internet) sources into a coherent narrative. Now chatbots can just generate text and that skill seems less valuable. I use both the internet and GenAI extensively now. But I feel that having gone throu…

It’s something reflected in the conversations I have with my academic friends. I’m told that every essay is written in the same “voice” and that although they are usually a simulacra of an academic paper, they say nothing. The sad part comes when we reflect that these students are not learning the deep thinking skills that comes with academic writing

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Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

#58
post #27

I feel like this is a bit overblown. Growing up we heard, ad nauseam, that "wikipedia is not a reliable source". People just need to state the same thing about LLMs- they aren't reliable, but can potentially point you to primary sources that -are- reliable. Once the shininess of the new toy wears off, people will adjust.

I think it's pretty clear that as a tool they can be used very effectively if you have at least some understanding of their limitations. I will say that wikipedia, as things stand, is way more accurate than chatgpt. So much so that comparing them doesn't even make sense to me.

Until you can quantifiably prove Wikipedia is more accurate than ChatGPT, I’m not sure how you can say GP’s comparison doesn’t make sense.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

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post #23

Like probably many people here I still remember having to find facts in books in libraries, before the internet made this skill mostly redundant. Then, as a student I remember having to put together facts from various (internet) sources into a coherent narrative. Now chatbots can just generate text and that skill seems less valuable. I use both the internet and GenAI extensively now. But I feel that having gone throu…

It’s something reflected in the conversations I have with my academic friends. I’m told that every essay is written in the same “voice” and that although they are usually a simulacra of an academic paper, they say nothing. The sad part comes when we reflect that these students are not learning the deep thinking skills that comes with academic writing

There are two views of writing: one, as the production of a literary artifact that has value in its own right and stands alone as the embodiment of a complex idea itself; on the other hand, as a process and tool for thought, where the literary artifact is merely meant to represent the cognitive work that went into its production. From the latter perspective, the bulk of the value is not derived from the output of the process of writing, but rather from the understanding and insight that was gained during its production - "it's the journey, not the destination".

With generative AI we are now shortcutting directly to the destination while eliding all the knowledge and understanding we are supposed to be gaining on the way. It's deemed sufficient to merely produce and exchange the symbols of understanding without needing to possess any real underlying wisdom (the first view above), because it's through the exchange of these abstract symbols, irrespective of whether or not there is anything behind them, that we can play and win certain social games.

This is merely the natural continuation of trends that began during the dawn of the Internet era, when we started to consider pixels on a screen an accurate map of reality.

Re: "AI", students, and epistemic crisis

#60
post #5

If they only trust ChatGPT, why not just show them? From asking leading questions, to simply asking ChatGPT what the chances are of it making mistakes and hallucinating, there are tons of options. Considering this is a transcription of a deleted twitter post, my internet radar of "yeah, that happened" gives a lower chance this is true than your average ChatGPT answer.

> they only trust ChatGPT

And somehow this is an improvement over the previous status quo. ChatGPT is pretty well read and on important issues rarely says stupid things. Better than believing some influencer.

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