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Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

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Post by miles »

batista wrote: post #66
stickfigure wrote: post #35

Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. It's time for someone to re-edit Apple's 1984 commercial and swap the logos.

> Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. And hackerism is not the computing environment Apple wants to encourage. Besides the obvious benefit of more control = better stronghold of their market, Apple is also philosophically in favor of closed, well defined systems and minimal end user confusion, not pro ope…

The Mac was about a "computer for the rest of us" (ie simple users), and it remains the same now. Neither Mac, nor the 1984 ad was about tinkering.

Perhaps you missed this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1MxAnHuJM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different

"Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do. - Apple Inc."

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

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Post by jrockway »

jyap wrote: post #41
jrockway wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogue Amoeba wrote code that implemented a network protocol. Apple pulled their app because they did not ask Apple to license that network protocol. Which protocol will Apple claim you need a license for next? HTTP? The fact that encryption is involved is completely irrelevant.

AirPlay is a proprietary protocol stack/suite. Apple chooses to license this on their terms. This is their technology to for their competitive advantage to use against companies products such as say your company, Google. Apple does not want an unlicensed and unauthorized app to use AirPlay on their app store. Case closed. AirPlay isn't HTTP so don't compare the 2. Your comment about encryption is moot.

AirPlay is a proprietary protocol stack/suite.

It was at one point. But then The Internets figured out how it worked, and now it's as easy for someone to implement as any other open protocol.

Remember: no particular legal protection applies to protocols. Apple is kicking Rogue Amoeba out of the app store out of pure malice, not because of any law that was violated. ("We'd like to sell you this product, but you figured out how to make it yourself, so you're gone.")

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

#73

Post by regularfry »

jyap wrote: post #41
jrockway wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogue Amoeba wrote code that implemented a network protocol. Apple pulled their app because they did not ask Apple to license that network protocol. Which protocol will Apple claim you need a license for next? HTTP? The fact that encryption is involved is completely irrelevant.

AirPlay is a proprietary protocol stack/suite. Apple chooses to license this on their terms. This is their technology to for their competitive advantage to use against companies products such as say your company, Google. Apple does not want an unlicensed and unauthorized app to use AirPlay on their app store. Case closed. AirPlay isn't HTTP so don't compare the 2. Your comment about encryption is moot.

AirPlay seems to me to be about as proprietary as SMB.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

#74

Post by batista »

miles wrote: post #71
batista wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. And hackerism is not the computing environment Apple wants to encourage. Besides the obvious benefit of more control = better stronghold of their market, Apple is also philosophically in favor of closed, well defined systems and minimal end user confusion, not pro ope…

The Mac was about a "computer for the rest of us" (ie simple users), and it remains the same now. Neither Mac, nor the 1984 ad was about tinkering. Perhaps you missed this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1MxAnHuJM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different "Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fon…

Well, you also missed that it was a marketing slogan, and from a single campaign at that.

Whereas Apple's focus of making simple computers/software for common people to use was a constant in their corporate story.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

#75

Post by stonemetal »

jrockway wrote: post #72
jyap wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AirPlay is a proprietary protocol stack/suite. Apple chooses to license this on their terms. This is their technology to for their competitive advantage to use against companies products such as say your company, Google. Apple does not want an unlicensed and unauthorized app to use AirPlay on their app store. Case closed. AirPlay isn't HTTP so don't compare the 2. Your comment about encryption is moot.

AirPlay is a proprietary protocol stack/suite. It was at one point. But then The Internets figured out how it worked, and now it's as easy for someone to implement as any other open protocol. Remember: no particular legal protection applies to protocols. Apple is kicking Rogue Amoeba out of the app store out of pure malice, not because of any law that was violated. ("We'd like to sell you this product, but you figure…

store out of pure malice, not because of any law that was violated.

Two things no law broken, no charges filed no lawsuits presented. Pure maliace, hardly more like appropriate response to broken contract.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

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Post by stonemetal »

AngryParsley wrote: post #32
collypops wrote: post #29

Please entertain my crazy analogous thought processes for a minute... Imagine you were eating out at KFC one night, and using taste alone, you managed to work out their secret recipe. You then decided you wanted to get into the fried chicken business, but you didn't want the overhead of renting commercial space, or buying the kitchen/service equipment you need to run your own business. So you choose to walk into your…

The analogy doesn't work. iPhone users can only get apps from the Apple store.* Also, Rogue Amoeba isn't deceiving users. People who buy Airfoil know that it's not made by Apple. *I know someone will bring up jailbreaking. Jailbreaking is not a solution. It's difficult, voids the warranty, and can cause issues with stability and software updates. It's a non-starter for the vast majority of users. By limiting Airfoil…

While I agree his analogy stretches it way to far, being in the app store says Apple approves of what you are doing(you know that whole approval process thing.) Apple doesn't approve so it isn't there anymore.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

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Post by ktizo »

miles wrote: post #71
batista wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. And hackerism is not the computing environment Apple wants to encourage. Besides the obvious benefit of more control = better stronghold of their market, Apple is also philosophically in favor of closed, well defined systems and minimal end user confusion, not pro ope…

The Mac was about a "computer for the rest of us" (ie simple users), and it remains the same now. Neither Mac, nor the 1984 ad was about tinkering. Perhaps you missed this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1MxAnHuJM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different "Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fon…

Is worth remembering that usually the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are also actually crazy and it isn't always good when they succeed.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

#78

Post by ktizo »

glogla wrote: post #42
stickfigure wrote: post #35

Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. It's time for someone to re-edit Apple's 1984 commercial and swap the logos.

They would definitely sue you for doing that. Which would be pretty nice irony too.

title it "sosume.wav"

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

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Post by bonch »

stickfigure wrote: post #35

Once more, a reminder that we - the hackers - should stop giving Apple our money. This is not the kind of computing environment we want to encourage. It's time for someone to re-edit Apple's 1984 commercial and swap the logos.

Please return to Slashdot with the rest of the Apple-hating "hackers". Corny fear-mongering ruined that site as well.

Re: Rogue Amoeba responds to Phil Schiller

#80

Post by gnaffle »

batista wrote: post #74
miles wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mac was about a "computer for the rest of us" (ie simple users), and it remains the same now. Neither Mac, nor the 1984 ad was about tinkering. Perhaps you missed this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1MxAnHuJM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different "Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fon…

Well, you also missed that it was a marketing slogan, and from a single campaign at that. Whereas Apple's focus of making simple computers/software for common people to use was a constant in their corporate story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCz_SiPD_X0

This wasn't just a single marketing campaign. It was THE marketing campaign. They even played the Steve Jobs narrated version at the Celebrating Steve event. After reading the Steve Jobs biography, I'm pretty sure that he and the others at Apple truly believe that this campaign represents Apples values.

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