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Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by johnnyanmac »

troupo wrote: post #34
immibis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple limits the viability of non-native apps on its mobile devices? Same reason it refused to allow Flash. It wants you to stay in the walled garden with the expensive fees.

Android has been the dominant mobile OS for over a decade. Additionally, desktop browsers have been a thing since forever. Where is the multitude of amazing native-like web apps that we keep hearing about?

> Android has been the dominant mobile OS for over a decade.

worldwide, and not by a large margin. I believe it's 60/40 last I checked.

Among US and a few other first world countries, it's nearly 50/50, with a very small advantadge to Apple. Slashing your consumer base in the biggest markets isn't an attractive proposition.

>Where is the multitude of amazing native-like web apps that we keep hearing about?

well Apple made PWA's harder to do in the EU, so ask them... They're doing what they did to Flash long ago, with much less justification this time around.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by johnnyanmac »

rambambram wrote: post #26
cafed00d wrote: post #14

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Why can’t a business be built solely without giving Apple a dime? The web is free — as in freedom and as in gratis. It has a developer tools system funded by hundreds of companies, developers and community members. There’s hardly any order of dipping, if any. Why doesn’t the web compete away Apple’s “dips”?

The web is more than good enough. There's just a lot of people drinking the kool-aid and believing big tech's subtle and not so subtle messages about the web being shite. Of course the web is shite on devices from companies that compete with the web. They actively undermine it.

the web isn't shit per se. But it's horrible in the one way it matters to business; it is very hard to monetize web content compared to apps. That's a small part of why flash games quickly gave way to mobile.

But it's hard to deny there are quite a few technical shortcomings. Shortcomings only just now starting to dimish as WebASM/WebGPU gain traction.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Hamuko wrote: post #51
127 wrote: post #48

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The alternative is to leave EU market. They do have a choice in the matter.

Could they even do that without giving up their Irish tax shelter?

Probably not. Which is why they are begrudgingly applying, slowly. Last thing they want to do is pay their domestic country taxes that goes back (kinda) to the people.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by abhinavk »

aurareturn wrote: post #57
tgv wrote: post #31

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Why? You can buy an Android, or one of its derivatives, or a Huawei.

Funny how people here are “anti communism” but suggest communism core principles all the time.

Socialism for me. Capitalism for thee.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by johnnyanmac »

tgv wrote: post #31
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #11

Apple needs to be heavily taxed and regulated into operating their devices like general computers free of their authoritarianism

Why? You can buy an Android, or one of its derivatives, or a Huawei.

That argument didn't work for Microsoft in the 90's (just install BSD or buy a mac if you don't like IE), I don't know why it should work for Apple who's gotten much bigger than 90's MS.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by DEADMINCE »

nottorp wrote: post #74
DEADMINCE wrote: post #66

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None of that matters. The owner of a game doesn't dictate whether the game is predatory or not, the behavior of the game does. The free to play model isn't inherently predatory, either, although certain companies certainly are. Call of Duty seems especially predatory.

Let me translate “it’s only cosmetic” for you, because it’s probably what you think when you say there are non predatory IAPs. It means “keep the players playing until they get bored and buy some cosmetics”. They design the game to not only fleece you for money, but to waste your time until you do.

Translate what you like, it doesn't change my point: Free to play is not inherently predatory.

There's a big difference between free to play and using as many dirty tricks as they can to fleece as much info as possible (and/or being pay to win), and a company that genuinely makes a free to play game and makes money off skins, because it made better business sense than charging $50 up front.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by johnnyanmac »

throwAGIway wrote: post #76
holoduke wrote: post #25

Whats the difference between mobsters owning a city , demanding money from all shops and Apple? There is none. Leadership at Apple is no different. Criminals who need be charged with jail penalties. Only then things will change. Will that ever happen? No. Governments are more or less controlled by lobbyists representing the same evil companies.

Apple built the city and you're free to go anywhere else.

"free to go anywhere else" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in a state/province with 2 "cities". Google isn't being hit as hard by the DMA, but they didn't get off scot-free either.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by Rinzler89 »

DEADMINCE wrote: post #67
Hamuko wrote: post #47

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"Gatekeeper approved by Apple" is not entirely accurate since Apple also gatekeeps what that gatekeeper can actually approve. All apps in third-party app stores must be notarized and Apple has complete control of what apps get notarized. UTM for example is not allowed on iOS even on third-party app stores since Apple has denied them notarization. It's more of a choice between Apple, or Apple + third-party gatekeeper.…

It's going to be amazing watching Apple accept that they have to remove their stupid, anti-consumer and limited restrictions, at least in the EU.

They'll fight tooth and nail even with the knowledge they'll eventually loose because they know once they cave in, other countries will want the same pro consumer privacy rules for them and Apple will have already run out of excuses by then.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

modeless wrote: post #8

> Apple is now telling reporters that this approval is temporary and are demanding we change the buttons in the next version https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/180933674561328744...

Hmm, what? They are supposed to notarize application for security reasons, not make a review about design. Not their store, not their rules.

Re: Apple okays Epic Games marketplace app in Europe

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Post by nucleardog »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #11

Apple needs to be heavily taxed and regulated into operating their devices like general computers free of their authoritarianism

Why bother with the fines and taxes and regulations? Stop beating around the bush here and do what you want directly—nationalize it.
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