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Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

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Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#43
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rms, he himself, should have kept an eye on the bag, not somebody else...

I don't understand the downvotes. Care to explain?

It's a technical talk, not a subway car. He's a guest. It's not realistic, or hospitable, to expect him to watch his belongings while he's interacting with his audience. Plus it's a new account that's trolling.

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#45
post #32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the downvotes. Care to explain?

Like I wrote, he enjoys the ritual of interacting with the audience after the talk. I think most people at this point stop looking at their stuff for a minute.

Like the other guy wrote. He had his passport in the bag. The number one rule of traveling: your passport is your life. There are things in that should not be somebody else's task.

Edit: you guys might be right about the troll thing. I'm terribly confused now as I must confess I agree with a troll..

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#46
post #23

Most of us have cloud backups like Mozy or Carbonite, or keep our documents in the cloud with tools like Google Docs, iCloud, or Zoho. To us, losing a laptop is an inconvenience... but not a cause for canceling future engagements. But RMS is different. He's ethically opposed to the "cloud," calling it a "trap." That is his prerogative. But you can't cry when you lose your data!!

You can back up and restore your data securely over the internet using only free software on both ends, if you really want to. And if anyone knows how to do so, I'm sure RMS does. Perhaps he even has a full backup of all his important data from the stolen laptop.

However, no backup, be it cloud-based or not, can get you back your stolen passport, money, or medicine. So I think you may be a bit out of line implying that RMS is crying merely over something that he could have saved if only he had been willing to compromise his deeply-held beliefs.

(Even the laptop itself may have been quite difficult to obtain, since if I recall correctly, RMS uses a specific laptop that has a completely free software stack, including firmware and such.)

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#47

Had his bag stolen -- glad that he's okay! Normally, though, we wouldn't call this "robbery" in English. Strictly speaking, robbery is used for a theft where force (or threat of force) is involved.

"Robbery" is often used when force isn't involved. If the object is stolen while you're nearby, people will often refer to it as a robbery. Outfielders rob batters of home runs all the time. The word "rob" is particularly useful because lets the victim be used as the direct object. If you want to emphasize RMS as a victim of personal theft, that's the verb to use.

Some people may use it that way but that doesn't make it right.

The baseball example is a figure of speech, not a description of an actual crime. This was a real crime.

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#48

Well he is not the first celebrity to get robbed in B.A. Bush daughter was visiting the city, the whole neighbourhood was crawling with CIA agents and her purse was still stolen...

Maybe I'm downvoted for this, but I feel a lot worse for RMS than for Bush's daughter..

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#49
post #21

Had his bag stolen -- glad that he's okay! Normally, though, we wouldn't call this "robbery" in English. Strictly speaking, robbery is used for a theft where force (or threat of force) is involved.

Thanks. I sort of almost majored in English in college (besides being a native English speaker) and didn't even realize the distinction there (i.e. "robbery" implies force).

It's one of those things that bugs me about the early chapters of the novel Nine Princes in Amber:

    He glared at me, I don't know how long.    
    Finally, "I haven't got a thousand here," he said.
    "Name a compromise figure," I said.
    After another pause, "It's larceny."
    "Not if it's cash-and-carry, Charlie. So, call it."
    "I might have five hundred in my safe."
    "Get it."
Larceny is what happened to RMS, and I like to just remember it as "walking off with someone's pen" -- maybe a bit of an extreme example, but if you mentally call that "larceny" in your internal classification you more easily remember what larceny is.

Anyway, in the above case Corwin ("I") does in fact have a gun pointed at the doctor ("he") -- albeit the doctor's own gun -- and arguably that's dangerous enough that it goes from being "larceny" to outright robbery.

Re: Rms has his bag stolen in Argentina

#50

Damn, this is not nice. Maybe HN can pitch in to get him a new laptop? I'd donate a few bucks. Edit: What the heck? What's wrong with what I suggested?

It might be hard to find a Lemote Yeelong (at least the particular model he uses, which lets him use a free BIOS).

Here's one, though I'm not sure if it's the correct version: http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.htm...

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