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Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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I think this is incorrect. Don't centuries start with the 00? In that case the first year of a century is 0, and the 76th year would be 75, not 76 as the author writes: > starting in 1776, not in the 76th year of the 18th century.

Unfortunately that’s not the convention. AD centuries start with 1 (eg 1901 to 2000 is the 20th century). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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How about if you say "settecento"? Maybe it is a new confusion that they drop a thousand years, and maybe it would imply Italian art specifically.

Just to make sure I understood this, that would be used as "17th settecento" to mean 1700s right? (This Xth century business always bothered and genuinely confused me to no end and everyone always dismissed my objections that it's a confusing thing to say. I'm a bit surprised, but also relieved, to see this thread exists. Yes, please, kill all off-by-one century business in favor of 1700s and 17th settecento or anyth…

"settecento" can be read as "seven hundred" in Italian; gramps is proposing to use a more specific word as a tag for Italian art from the 1700s. Of course, 700 is not 1700, hence the "drop 1000 years". The prefix seventeen in Italian is "diciassette-" so perhaps "diciasettecento" would be more accurate for the 1700s. (settecento is shorter, though.)

Hope this clarifies. Not to miss the forest for the trees, to reiterate, the main takeaway is that it may be better to define and use a specific tag to pinpoint a sequence of events in a given period (e.g. settecento) instead of gesturing with something as arbitrary and wide as a century (18th century art).

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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I think you mean "twenty-aughts" (to differentiate them from the nineteen-aughts, 1900-1909).

I wonder at what point we can just assume decades belong to the current century. Will "the twenties" in the US always primarily mean Prohibition, flappers, and Al Capone or will it ever mean this decade?

I say give it 11 years or so for 2020's kids to starting come into age, and twenties babies will refer to babies born in the 2020's and not centenarians.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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I think this is incorrect. Don't centuries start with the 00? In that case the first year of a century is 0, and the 76th year would be 75, not 76 as the author writes: > starting in 1776, not in the 76th year of the 18th century.

No, because there was no year zero. The first century started in the year 1 AD.

There was an astronomical year zero, it’s mainly historians who don’t want the year zero to happen.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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I thought the exact same thing... when I was eight. Then I just learned the mental gymnastics of hearing, say, "20th century" and associating it with "1900" at got along with it. Really, it's a bit dated, but if people can function with miles and furlongs, they can handle centuries...

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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post #83

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How about if you say "settecento"? Maybe it is a new confusion that they drop a thousand years, and maybe it would imply Italian art specifically.

Just to make sure I understood this, that would be used as "17th settecento" to mean 1700s right? (This Xth century business always bothered and genuinely confused me to no end and everyone always dismissed my objections that it's a confusing thing to say. I'm a bit surprised, but also relieved, to see this thread exists. Yes, please, kill all off-by-one century business in favor of 1700s and 17th settecento or anyth…

Think of it as the 700s, which is a weird way to refer to the 1700s, unless you are taking a cue from the common usage. That’s just how the periods are referenced by Italian art historians.

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And while we are at it, Tim Apple

There was an airport-novel series about a future where people's surnames are the company they work for. It was called Jennifer Government. Some of the characters in Death Stranding , namely the main one, have a given-name, profession, employer convention -- as in Sam Porter Bridges.

Death strandings naming is not too far from very common naming conventions throughout history, it's a nicely subtle touch.

Glenn Miller, Gregory Porter and Sam Smith just happen to have been more inclined to make music.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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Author makes a good point. "1700s" is both more intuitive and more concise than "18th century". The very first episode of Alex Trebeck's Jeopardy in 1984 illustrates how confusing this can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDTxS9_CwZA The "Final Jeopardy" question simply asked on what date did the 20th century begin, and all three contestants got it wrong, leading to a 3-way tie.

So shouldn't this be the "0-episode"? ;-)

(0, because only after the first question, we have actually 1 episode performed. Consequently, the 1-episode is then the second one.)

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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No, because there was no year zero. The first century started in the year 1 AD.

There was an astronomical year zero, it’s mainly historians who don’t want the year zero to happen.

And there is a year zero in the ISO 8601:2004 system, the interchange standard for all calendar numbering systems (where year zero coincides with the Gregorian year 1 BC; see conversion table). [via Wikipedia]
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