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Ok mr brand new account that loves russia
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Not the brand new pro Russian account holder
Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Probably because you can't GPS jam a dumb artillery shell. otoh: US-made weapons augmented by Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites for position updates in Ukraine are now susceptible to Russian electronic warfare (EW) jamming ... The weapons affected may include the 155mm Excalibur artillery projectiles, Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and weapons rounds used wit…
> Being able to test GPS jamming techniques against intact munitions isn't some hypothetical academic problem. The US military-industrial complex is probably extremely grateful for the chance to do the same, here. Very useful if there's ever a direct conflict. Excalibur, GLSDB, JDAM, and ATACMS all have GPS-aided inertial guidance and can be set to fall back to just inertial; the US has long been aware of the likelih…
A successor to the HARM missile (I think?) for the F-35 is in the works that would have the option of targeting a GPS jammer platform. [0]
There are definitely many ways to make those jammers disappear. Ukraine will inevitably find a way to do it on the cheap.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Completely lost on whose side?
Probably the side that is expanding conscription and routinely kidnapping men off the street and throwing them onto the front lines with weeks or less of training. Thats something that either happens routinely if youre desperate and short of men or doesnt - because it's deeply unpopular and you wouldnt do it if you didnt have to. There are many signals which lack meaning (e.g. land taken) or can be fudged (e.g. casua…
> Probably the side that is expanding conscription and routinely kidnapping men off the street and throwing them onto the front lines with weeks or less of training.
That'll be "both of them".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_mobilization
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobil...
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-troops-complain-lack-trainin...
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Taken to the extreme, you can then also not trust the free world. Reuters also cites the Russian sources: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-accuses-kyiv-usi... So either Russia shot down 4 of the 5 missiles and they landed in apartment buildings, or the one that landed on the beach was also shot down. Or they staged everything, including blowing up apartment buildings. Unlikely, since Defense Secretary Aust…
> Taken to the extreme, you can then also not trust the free world. Reuters also cites the Russian sources: Of course, not all free media is competent and Reuters is making the exact same mistake of blindly citing Russian sources without doing due diligence.
What would due diligence look like? Instead of sniping at comments, please link the correct approved journalistic version of the 5 ATACMS missiles that have or have not been shot down over Crimea.
If the whole attack, including the beach incident, was staged, link to that.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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If they breathlessly announced they were dismantling one of our howitzers, we'd joke about them being 60 years behind. It doesn't mean those howitzers aren't useful weapons, but...
Probably because you can't GPS jam a dumb artillery shell. otoh: US-made weapons augmented by Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites for position updates in Ukraine are now susceptible to Russian electronic warfare (EW) jamming ... The weapons affected may include the 155mm Excalibur artillery projectiles, Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and weapons rounds used wit…
> Being able to test GPS jamming techniques against intact munitions isn't some hypothetical academic problem.
If Ukraine is just leaving the GPS guidance turned off entirely and relying on inertial guidance, then whatever secrets Russia has discovered in ATACMS really are academic.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Do people in the US genuinely believe that? Makes me think of that the Germans thought of the Soviets before June of 1941.
> Do people in the US genuinely believe that? Yes, we fairly reasonably believe that Russia's struggle to make progress against a smaller neighbor using NATO hand-me-downs is heavily indicative of how they'd do against all of NATO using B-2s, F-22s and F-35s.
Vietnam was a failure, Iraq was a failure, Afghanistan was a failure.
I concede that NATO would put in more effort against Russia, but how about better not finding out in the first place? Russia would also put in more effort.
This is hubris at its finest.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Ruzzia already has soviet tanks, and a Russian stole an helicopter and defected. But my imagination fails me to see how a soldiers is smuggling a missile, it won't fit in his pockets/ass and he can't ride it to Kremlin and they must be some good kilometers behind the font lines. so tell me how you imagine this happening ?
My point is that if defecting in a tank though frontline is possible, finding means to move a rocket will be even easier
>My point is that if defecting in a tank though frontline is possible, finding means to move a rocket will be even easier
Really, but you also failed the imagination test on how to do it.
AFAIK this is all Ruzzian propaganda for idiots int he West, same idiots that believe Zelenksy bought a new mansion and sports car this week or that Macron and Obama's Wives are men.
I am sure it is much easier to grab rocket secrets by using the KGB methods then a soldier smuggling a rocket in a way nobody seems to imagine yet.
Did you see today Ruzzian shit propaganda? There was a video a week ago I think where a Ruzzian soldier that was wounded was mercy killed by other Ruzzian soldier, the Zeds on the reddits were defending this move and seems that today or yesterday the Ruzzian national TV used this video but labeled as Ukrainians doing it and considering it evil. I am waiting to see the online trolls spinning this, they were paid to comment that is normal what the Ruzzian did and now they are paid to claim the video is about Ukrainians.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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Russia struggles to shoot down ATACMs, even with their most advanced SAMS, but they do have road mobile versions of Iskander which is pretty similar. They are just bigger and twice the cost.
Very little evidence of these being used to any effect comparable to ATACMs
Then you haven't been following the war closely.
I watch combat videos daily and Iskander is easily their most potent weapon after Lancet drones (and artillery). Patriot can't cover the whole massive frontlines.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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There's a whole field of study, named Kremlinology, dedicated to deciphering what was it that the people there actually meant by saying this and that. I used to think that I had some additional insight, hailing from a country neighbouring Russia, but it takes being born on former soviet territory to fully understand their line of thinking. It's not that it's particularly sophisticated - just utterly foreign to anyone…
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If instead we listened to what they were actually saying about the expansion of NATO toward their borders this conflict could have been avoided.
Actually the West did listen, and as a result took the crucial step of formally denying the NATO memberships requests of Ukraine and Georgia in 2008.
But Russia invaded anyway -- because all this NATO noise was never the real reason they sought to pacify Ukraine in the first place.
Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS
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> Do people in the US genuinely believe that? Yes, we fairly reasonably believe that Russia's struggle to make progress against a smaller neighbor using NATO hand-me-downs is heavily indicative of how they'd do against all of NATO using B-2s, F-22s and F-35s.
Vietnam was a failure, Iraq was a failure, Afghanistan was a failure. I concede that NATO would put in more effort against Russia, but how about better not finding out in the first place? Russia would also put in more effort. This is hubris at its finest.
> I concede that NATO would put in more effort against Russia, but how about better not finding out in the first place?
I mean, that's the point. That Russia's obvious takeaway from Ukraine should be "we'd lose fast and badly against actual NATO".
As with Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, a loss in Ukraine is most likely to come from the West going "eh whatever good enough we're out", not superior tech on the Russian side.