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Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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what’s the name of the backend provider?

I'd prefer not to tell, thank you for understanding!

I am confused.

I always thought keyword tools use both: backlink data and estimated search volumes.

For example ahrefs has, to the best of my knowledge, its own crawler for backlink data but mostly buys search volume estimates.

Does your tool offer search volume estimates at all and does it come from the same provider as the backlink data?

Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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How important do you think this kind of tool is in the age of massive amounts of LLM generated text everywhere? While content mills that could crank out any keyword optimized content very cheaply existed for a long time it is now basically free. Whereas producing deep and well researched articles maybe doesn't need that razor sharp focus on specific keywords? Since you made this tool, you probably think otherwise, bu…

> the age of massive amounts of LLM generated text everywhere

I would say that meaningless, soulless inputs had already inundated the WWW thanks to the economics of Search Engine Optimisation.

Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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At first glance these look like sources for backlink data to me, which is the easy part. I think the real value of a keyword tool like ahrefs lies in the estimated search volume which comes from different sources than the backlinks. Is this about a monopolistic provider of backlink data or search volume estimates?

The search volume estimates come from creating massive amounts of accounts that scrape Google Keyword Tool.

This would be funny, because the sales pitch of some prominent keyword tools is, that Google Keyword Tool can't be trusted.

Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first glance these look like sources for backlink data to me, which is the easy part. I think the real value of a keyword tool like ahrefs lies in the estimated search volume which comes from different sources than the backlinks. Is this about a monopolistic provider of backlink data or search volume estimates?

The search volume estimates come from creating massive amounts of accounts that scrape Google Keyword Tool.

Ahrefs says "and other third party data sources to find keywords" [0]

Pretty sure they buy data from software tools like free anti-virus scanners, toolbars, chrome extensions, VPNs, etc that resell their user's web browsing history. This is called "click stream data".

[0] https://help.ahrefs.com/en/articles/78119-where-do-you-get-t...

Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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What I learned recently was that all the SEO tool basically query the same back end provider. So I guess it makes sense that there is innovation on the pricing model side of things. We use ubersuggest which has a lifetime pricing, quite neat.

Interesting! I always thought, this kind of data was collected from a plethora of borderline shady browser plugins (SEO plugins amongst them, ironically), toolbars and alt-browsers. This is also, why I think the data must be heavily biased. For example the HN demographic must be severely underrepresented, because most of us are careful what we install.

> why I think the data must be heavily biased.

This is correct, but you can estimate the bias.

B2B keywords typically have 2-5x higher search volume/month than the popular tools estimate, for exactly the reason you provided. More sophisticated searchers aren't installing random anti-virus, VPNs, and plugins the SEO tools rely on to calculate keyword search volume.

Re: Show HN: I’ve made a cheaper SEO research tool

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This is super cool and I would love to try it out. We use SEMrush and they are basically charging us +$1000 dollar for the basic plan, with every other feature as an add-on for addition $200 - $400. Question: Do you have (or plan to provide) features like - -- Questions around the seed keywords -- Keyword exports for external analysis with details like volume, difficulty, etc, -- Can I tag keywords if I save them in…

what would it take to build a SEMRush alternative?
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