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Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

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Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

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Greeks were cooking with gas (from the paper): “However, we note that the degree of manufacturing precision is remarkable, with standard errors in hole positions of only 0.028mm radially, and 0.129mm azimuthally. Budiselic et al. quote a standard deviation for their individual position measurements of 0.037 mm, so a good deal of the radial error may come from the measurements of the X-ray images themselves.”

As someone who spent a decade doing precision metrology with optical devices... there isn't a way to correctly measure that part with the precision they indicate in the measured values.

If I recall the precision is limited to by the wavelength of the light being used. If they are using X-Rays in the 0.01 nm to 10 nm range wouldn't that give them more precision then optical light in the 380 nm to 700 nm range?

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#82
post #49

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UBI and better healthcare would allow me the freedom to innovate. Right now it’s a much more significant barrier to strike out on my own and build something. So it makes more sense to me to just have a 9-5 job, but if there was a bit more wiggle room I’d certainly try it.

Would you innovate or just play minecraft/guitar or read books about innovation but never innovate.

Nah, probably something related to computers or bikes and woodworking. Maybe I could combine all 3

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#83
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This is cool (lots of necessary context) but the paper itself is downright gorgeous https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/07-HJJuly24-AOT... Oh and quick timesaver for all the dubious people like me: they applied general statistical techniques from their gravity work to parsing the fragments of the computer we have. There’s no direct connection between the two subjects, otherwise. EDIT: some kinda humorous sci…

I'd like to see the LaTeX that generated that paper, it does look really nice.

Haven spoken to the authors, the really nice layout was done by the journal itself - the source paper is available on arxiv, and whilst a nice paper still, does not have the fancy photos of the authors embedded in sidebars and the like.

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#84
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The paper [here]( https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/07-HJJuly24-AOT... ) makes it clear that these researchers (whose main topic is gravitational waves) have used Bayesian analyses to estimate how likely different counts for holes present in the full calendar ring are. This is cool, but the bit about "techniques developed to analyse the ripples in spacetime" is, well, making reference to Bayesian analysis.

I haven't read through the paper but it seems that it comes to the same conclusion as this prior paper: https://bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/BHI-Antikythera...

The new paper does a more detailed statistical analysis and comes up with tighter bounds for the hole count, reinforcing the case for a lunar calendar.

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#85
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You mean besides being found in Greece, made at a time range where Greeks were both powerful in the context of the hellenistic empire and had important mathematicians and astronomers like Archimedes and Hipparhos, the labels being in Greek, and the whole on-device manual being in Greek?

It was found in the ocean from what I understand, not actually in Greece. And I would consider that weal evidence anyways, e.g. coins from land found in another. I wasn't aware it had Greek symbols on it. That's all I meant.

>It was found in the ocean from what I understand, not actually in Greece.

Well, it was found in the Aegean sea, a few hundrend feet off the coast of the namesake Greek island, thousands of miles away from any ocean.

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#86
post #10

Greeks were cooking with gas (from the paper): “However, we note that the degree of manufacturing precision is remarkable, with standard errors in hole positions of only 0.028mm radially, and 0.129mm azimuthally. Budiselic et al. quote a standard deviation for their individual position measurements of 0.037 mm, so a good deal of the radial error may come from the measurements of the X-ray images themselves.”

Any theories how they achieved such an impressive degree of accuracy?

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#87
post #85

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It was found in the ocean from what I understand, not actually in Greece. And I would consider that weal evidence anyways, e.g. coins from land found in another. I wasn't aware it had Greek symbols on it. That's all I meant.

> It was found in the ocean from what I understand, not actually in Greece. Well, it was found in the Aegean sea, a few hundrend feet off the coast of the namesake Greek island, thousands of miles away from any ocean.

Not any different than Arabic coins in Skandinavien burials

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>Why build machines at great scale when there is so much almost free human labor? Slaves weren't free. At least in the early United States, slaves were considered a significant investment; only rich plantation (land) owners could afford them. If they were cheap, then everyone would have had one. Here's an interesting article about the topic: https://www.measuringworth.com/slavery.php A typical slave in the US in the…

>I'm not sure if slaves were this expensive back in ancient Greek or Roman times, but I suspect it probably wasn't that different. The price fluctuated heavily. After a successful conquest slaves were way more affordable. Generally, a lot of people were able to afford slaves, so it was cheaper on average too. It was also place-dependent, compare for example Athens where roughly half of the population was free, and Sp…

Your point still stands, but as a note in Sparta slaves were state property, not individually owned.

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post #85

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> It was found in the ocean from what I understand, not actually in Greece. Well, it was found in the Aegean sea, a few hundrend feet off the coast of the namesake Greek island, thousands of miles away from any ocean.

Not any different than Arabic coins in Skandinavien burials

Very different, except if any example of "something of one culture found someplace else" applies to anything else ("The Pyramids might have been built by Celts!", "The Rosetta Stone? Possibly a work of the Chinese!", "Mayan artifacts? Aliens!"), regardless of context and circumstances.

First you commented without knowing about the mechanism, or bothering to read to learn the very basic fact that it had Greek inscriptions.

Then you came back to comment that you believe it was found "in the ocean", again not bothering to read up, which would have told you it was found next to a Greek island in the eastern Aegean sea, as far away from the ocean as possible. Clearly didn't care to know the archeaologists' consensus either.

It seems like you have some bias to make it non-Greek for some reason?

Re: Gravitational wave researchers cast new light on Antikythera mechanism mystery

#90
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People who will depend on UBI won't innovate. People who innovate don't need UBI. Slavery was expensive (guards, low productivity). In USSR Soviets realised that in Gulags it's more effective to pay Zeks regular salary and treat them as contractors than keep them as slave work force.

why do you say folks who depend on UBI won’t innovate? Logically speaking it almost seems more probable they would since they wouldn’t need to devote time and energy to a job.

no need to improve life if you have enough already
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