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Do archeology & history claim to be scientific?
I think so yes
What if say only 5% of people within each discipline do so, what is the epistemic value then of the claim "Archeology & history claim to be scientific"?
Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#282In India, there is a custom of passing ancient knowledge through poetic verses. Every poetic verses is sung in a specific 'meter'. If there is a discrepancy in recitation then remembering and passing knowledge 'letter by letter' can not succeed. Many of the verses are thousands of years old. I read some describing an ancient extinct river ~7000 years ago, later rediscovered through satellite imagery (don't know the r…
That’s clever and all, but how can you actually be sure the message was completely unchanged over 7000 years without an original written record? I get that special recitation tricks can make it harder to mess up, but I don’t think you can definitively say the information never once changed.
Because it was taught that the accents contain the meaning beyond the linguistic meanings of the words. It was sacred and you're not allowed to mispronounce it.
7000 is a bold estimate. But they remained intact for 3000 years in the face of significant religious changes.
Today modern Hindu hardly knows whats there in the Vedas, and religious customs are significantly different. But these verses are letter-to-letter same across India.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#283Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if say only 5% of people within each discipline do so, what is the epistemic value then of the claim "Archeology & history claim to be scientific"?
I don't know what you mean, sorry
Ok, as a thought experiment, let's say there are only 100 archaeologists in the world, and you do a survey:
"Is archaeology a science?"
95 say no, 5 say yes.
Is "Archaeologists claim archaeology is a science" a true statement?
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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I wrote specifically that the early chapters of Genesis date to the exile. The Bible is not a single book. It's really a collection of different works, written over the course of centuries by different people. Different parts date from different eras (and then were subsequently edited over the centuries). > we have direct archeological evidence in the form of dated, physical scrolls. From what I know, only very short…
Sure, I don’t think anybody disputes that the Bible is a not single book written at once. But the claim that any part of Genesis dates to the Exile is a weak historiographical claim, based primarily on a few pillars of very weak circumstantial evidence: a) we don’t have many physical examples dated to a prior time - but that’s not at all surprising; the vast supermajority of texts don’t survive, and many of the most…
Whenever you date the writing down of the early chapters of Genesis, it's clear that the flood story heavily copied directly from the Epic of Gilgamesh. The parallels, down to little details, are too strong to be simply due to similar stories floating around.
I don't see why this should be called a "pious fraud." Babylon was a massive cultural center of that time, and the land of Israel was a relative backwater on its periphery. Babylon would have exerted an enormous cultural influence on the surrounding peoples, including the Israelites.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what you mean, sorry
Ok, as a thought experiment, let's say there are only 100 archaeologists in the world, and you do a survey: "Is archaeology a science?" 95 say no, 5 say yes. Is "Archaeologists claim archaeology is a science" a true statement?
I have no idea how this relates to the conversation
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#287Imagine a smartphone lasting even 12 years
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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I personally don't associate those rituals with the idea of democracy itself, rather just its particular instantiation in modernish society.
And likewise, you can choose to not associate all the particular rituals surrounding the practice of any particular denomination of Christianity with Christianity itself. Like, at its core, all it says is that there's one god, and he was his own kid, who died, and there's an afterlife, and you should live well. Yet, I don't think you'd say that Christianity doesn't have rituals , even if no particular instantiation o…
Well-I wouldn't call Christianity an ideology, either. I have problem disagreement with a religion or a practice of a religion having rituals. Those aren't category errors to me at all.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, as a thought experiment, let's say there are only 100 archaeologists in the world, and you do a survey: "Is archaeology a science?" 95 say no, 5 say yes. Is "Archaeologists claim archaeology is a science" a true statement?
I have no idea how this relates to the conversation
This is highly relevant to my interests, thank you for disclosing that.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#290Kinda sad that the ritual was a way to curse somebody. 12,000 years of hurting each other. Side Node: computer programing is kinda cool. It is a set of incantations which actually does work. EDIT: Hello, all you down-voters and people who say I should read the article before commenting :-) I to, don't like it when people just start commenting without reading the article. I also don't like it when people take what a p…
Where are you getting that from? The article states it was a healing ritual -- the ritual was something done to someone who was already sick. Presumably...to make them better. I have no idea where you got the idea that it was intended as a curse.
sigh yet another victim of pop-sci.....I've edited the OP with an explanation.