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Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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That is because the USA is low context while China is high context. For more about this and related topics, read https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IHGVQ9I/ref=tmm_kin_swatch... .

that's extreme oversimplification of multifaceted topic.

All models are simplifications. High versus low context is only one of many dimensions in its model.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I find a similar trend with education in general. Some states have phased out programs for gifted students. Instead, many of them aren’t stimulated enough and end up going down a troubling path (worst case) or they don’t really reach their full potential during those formidable years. Teachers are expected to make the content match the lowest denominator, outside of the occasional exceptional teacher

And so many of those programs were absolutely horrible. I had a lot more homework than my peers and was expected to act more mature. Sorry, but we were all the same age as other kids - we didn't deserve a higher workload (as kids and teens) and we should have been expected to act our age. It was pretty common to make fun of others for not keeping up well enough (struggling not allowed) or for appearing too smart (Not…

My daughter is in gifted. She still has a regular home room class that she is in 80% of the day. Gifted is treated as an elective where they have a class or two that is small in size and more intellectually stimulating (or so they say, I don't sit in there and have nothing to compare).

No extra homework...they don't give homework at all nowadays.

Because of how fragmented the United States school system is, your experience will definitely not be applicable to everyone. Heck, even the county next to mine does gifted differently.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I get the point. Only a few days ago I watched the restored version of "Jeanne Dielman,...", to its full length of 3 hours and 20 minutes. Nothing happens in that movie, absolutely nothing at all, except for the registration of a housewife's daily routine and a few conversations with her son. Until the last quarter of an hour. You start with boredom, wanting to stop and forget all about it. But then curiosity kicks in, and you learn to appreciate the innumerable small details.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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Did you read the beginning of the book or just read that one quote? The first chapter on a story about meeting etiquette in Chinese business culture is actually quite insightful. It certainly resonates with me a least. I wish I had a manual so I knew how to behave in a meeting with people from different cultures. We are not all the same and there is no one size fits all way of behaving in a meeting.

I stopped at that quote. There are no doubt interesting anecdota inside, that might be insightful and there is no doubt some truth to some clichés, but I seriously doubt a box so big as "asians" has much value. And even for "small" boxes like "germans", there are for example great differences between east and west germany (seperated by the iron curtain and different systems for over 40 years) - but more so for the ol…

What you think the book is, and what it actually is, are very different.

It is not about stereotypes for judging someone from another culture. It is about how to think about other cultures so that we won't fail in stereotypical ways when we have to function in those cultures. And how to understand and resolve common conflicts that happen between businesses from different cultures.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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Started reading a book by Irish humorist Ross O’Carroll-Kelley. It’s full of Dublin slang specific to the 90’s I think. I don’t understand a lot of it but it’s fascinating to sort of listen in on the patois.

Ross O'Carroll-Kelly is a character! The writer is Paul Howard

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I read this comment before the post, and now I feel bad. I watched a spy movie from the 1960s recently with someone. We got 20 minutes in before she was confused about why the movie is just about a depressed drunk who lost his job in a spy agency, before my movie-watching accomplice looked up the plot of the movie on Wikipedia. Spoiler alert, there's a twist, and the movie didn't tell the viewer that. It's interestin…

I also strongly suspect you watched "The Spy Who Came in From the Cold". If you enjoyed this movie and the way it is narrated, please do yourself a favor and watch all the BBC mini series from the 70ies/80ies based on John Le Carré books, namely "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy", "Smiley's People", and "A Perfect Spy" (or read the books, John Le Carré is an excellent writer, and "A Perfect Spy" can be compared to works by…

Second this. IMHO Richard Burton and Alec Guinness give stellar performances in these shows/movies. I would also recommend the Len Deighton series Game, Set, Match with Ian Holm. You need to watch to the end to figure out what's going on.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I think there is a limit. If it's a topic you can look things up about (Maybe something technical where you haven't read the prerequisites.). The initial example from the article is interesting, in that you can learn so much about history with the looked-up context, but you can still follow and enjoy the books without it - you will just not know which characters and events were real! I think you will probably remembe…

Gravity's Rainbow is downright abstract at times, but if you use a guide like this [0] then you can move beyond trying to figure out what actually happens and really enjoy how Pynchon twists language and sentences into incredible images and scenes. Some of it is, for lack of a better term, downright fantastical rather than literal.

[0]: https://people.math.harvard.edu/%7Ectm/links/culture/rainbow...

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I found Malcolm Wilcock, A companion to the Iliad, and Ralph Hexter, A guide to the Odyssey, helpful when I read Homer recently.

Thank you. Putting my thoughts into my comment made me wonder a bit more about the translation I am reading which is Butler’s translation included in the Great Books of Western Culture. It apparently is a somewhat weak translation when compared to modern ones and so I might switch to something modern to see if that helps.

With Homer, which translation you read can make a huge difference for the reading experience. Older translations tend to be far more purple and ornate, while recent translations, like Emily Wilson's, are far more straight forward with a more restrained diction and helpful translation notes and introductions. It's all really a matter of degree, though.
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