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The UK's Brexit dream is dead
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Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#32Anyone who thought the Brexit dream was going to be anything other than a nightmare was either a fraud, or convinced by one.
Oddly, it's not nearly the disaster I anticipated. It looks like an ordinary weak economy, the kind you get from time to time. It's certainly a disaster compared to "we hold all the cards", said by a fraud and many were convinced by that fraud. I hope they are coming to understand that relative nightmare and turn out the fraudsters for a very long time. At the end of that time I suspect they'll find themselves mostly…
> Oddly, it's not nearly the disaster I anticipated. It looks like an ordinary weak economy, the kind you get from time to time.
well they lost the right to live, work and freely travel through the EU.
and what did they gain in return for that. a weak economy.
Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
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The Conservatives were in power during the Brexit vote and for the next 8 years. Which leftists obstructed Brexit?
Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU would let the UK back in in a heartbeat; the current situation really is good for nobody. It would likely lose the special treatment it had under its previous membership, however.
Well Juncker said yesterday that UK can rejoin in a two centuries - maybe. EU leadership is against letting them back in, so I don't know where get that 'in a heartbeat'.
Juncker is a retired politician; he can more or less say whatever he wants. At the end of the day, the UK rejoining would be of benefit to everybody, and it's hard to imagine that much opposition.
Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#35I expect that the UK will end up rejoining the EU on much worse terms than we had before. Sooner or later it'll happen.
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Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#36I've always thought actually Brexit supported the left much more than the right. I think we see that with two of Labour's key manifesto pledges would be either impossible or very difficult to do with EU/SM membership. Firstly - VAT cannot be levied on private school fees under EU law. Potentially you could argue for some exemption but I think it would be very slow. Secondly - Labour's idea of "nationalising" the UK r…
> VAT cannot be levied on private school fees under EU law. Given the long history of people the in the UK spouting absolute nonsense about what is or is not possible under EU law, do you have a reliable source for that claim?
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Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#37I've always thought actually Brexit supported the left much more than the right. I think we see that with two of Labour's key manifesto pledges would be either impossible or very difficult to do with EU/SM membership. Firstly - VAT cannot be levied on private school fees under EU law. Potentially you could argue for some exemption but I think it would be very slow. Secondly - Labour's idea of "nationalising" the UK r…
> VAT cannot be levied on private school fees under EU law. Given the long history of people the in the UK spouting absolute nonsense about what is or is not possible under EU law, do you have a reliable source for that claim?
Quick search leads to the EU council directive on VAT Article 132[0], section I and J which says:
Member States shall exempt the following transactions:
[...]
(i) the provision of children's or young people's education, school or university education, vocational training or retraining, including the supply of services and of goods closely related thereto, by bodies governed by public law having such as their aim or by other organisations recognised by the Member State concerned as having similar objects;
(j) tuition given privately by teachers and covering school or university education;
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Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#38I expect that the UK will end up rejoining the EU on much worse terms than we had before. Sooner or later it'll happen.
Don't think EU will let them back in.
I don't think the UK will try to join anytime soon, but the EU would be silly to not accept them back. The UK is already Europe's second biggest economy, and depending on how Germany goes, could be the biggest in a couple of decade. It has the biggest tech industry in Europe by quite a bit, a relatively healthy demography, a solid military, bases across the world, soft power _galore_).
Like, grudges and personal issues aside, the numbers say the EU would be greatly bolstered with the UK in it.
Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt it. Politicians and voters will keep pointing the finger at Switzerland and Norway how they succeeded without the EU and that they can too.
One of the immediately likely things after the election is for Labour to rejoin various eurpean standards things, like on Chemicals, accepting the EU rules with no direct say in them, just like Norway and Switzerland. > [Labour Chancellor] Reeves said she does not think “anyone voted Leave because they were not happy that chemicals regulations were the same across Europe”,
She is correct. I really doubt anyone will care in practice, unless they're conditioned to care.
Re: The UK's Brexit dream is dead
#40> Radical plans to tear EU regulations off Britain’s statute books en masse have already been abandoned. The benefits of buccaneering free trade agreements (FTAs) have proved elusive. Britain's public services, far from receiving a promised boost, have in many cases almost stopped working. The number of people moving to Britain from abroad is higher than ever. It’s not what advocates of Leave had in mind. No, but it'…
... Eh? Is this the new line now? Brexit was a disaster not because it was an extremely silly idea, but rather due to saboteurs? I mean, I suppose you can tell yourself that if you want, but...
> Brexit was a disaster not because it was an extremely silly idea, but rather due to saboteurs?
The mostly likely things that has made Brexit not work, if it could ever have worked, and other than the people in charge being terrible at their jobs, are the enormous headwinds of Covid and the war in Ukraine.