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The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
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Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe that depends on the job market you're working on. In some countries salaries are more affected by personal performance than in others. My first job as a developer made me work around the clock, day and night, for a below average (nationwide compared) salary. And I got yelled at. Since I didn't have enough work experience, my applications weren't responded to. There were no ways to improve conditions without cha…
> So, why should they give everything and get nothing back? How is that fair? Ofcourse it is fair. How can you say you get nothing back? They pay you salary you agreed on when signed contract. > My first job as a developer made me work around the clock Bad employer. Maybe doesn't obey the contract on their side and doesn't pay for overtime. Tough one until you level up your experience for sure. But I'd expect salary…
i think whether it is fair isnt the right question (which is subjective and I disagree anyway) but whether it is rational and advantageous for you. What benefit do you get for rushing a job and shipping shitty code? I think the downsides vastly outweigh the upside.
If a company is that pressed for time, theyre not going to fire you. Take your time and do things right, dont Boeing it up.
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#163Author here! I need to update this article. Years later, I actually got motivated by the comments on HN (whenever this gets posted). P People are always like "why don't you just ship your app?" ... so I did! I'm happy I went through with and it's way WAY better than any competitor in this category Check it out at https://benji.so (landing page is still w.i.p)
The landing page lags my browser. How is that even possible - it's a splash screen with a few images. What on earth are you doing on that page.
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#164Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
that scene from Office Space where he talks about "I do just enough not to get fired" may be relevant here. There is something to be said for 'if you're going to be a rational economic actor and you have a salaried job, the optimal strategy is finish your job's tasks as fast as possible and work on a personal project which you control the upside to with all your extra energy'. From a purely economic point of view, sp…
I call it (doing the bare minimum required) "organizational laziness" and I hate it. It might be rational, but it leads to mediocrity.
whats mediocre is willingly being a cog, in my opinion. Cogs dont get any credit.
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#166There's massive caveat with all of these "and then the story ends because we didn't just ship it :(" stories: sometimes the value of the "app" you're working on is in the technical details that cannot really be "hastened" and you can't "just ship it". Also, and this is something a lot of the managerial class people don't want to hear: Your job as a sw engineer/architect is to resist the "just ship it" pressure from t…
> Your job as a sw engineer/architect is to resist the "just ship it" pressure from the management as much as possible. So unless you own what you're coding and you really need it out of the door for your own benefit, if more time makes your work more professional, then take more time. Anyone telling you otherwise is a 100% hack. You are not an automaton that takes in JIRA tickets and spits out hacky code as soon as possible. Or at least you shouldn't be. Not to mention that not taking time (doing things properly) is incredibly taxing on your psyche and you WILL burn out. There are only so much garbage tasks you can take.
Any job, In any industry at any level should be working together with your manager to understand what the company goal and how to achive that. Its always going to be time/price vs quality if you work on creating software or clothing or whatever. There are properly companies and managers that do not care.. but imbany healthy organisation this should be the case. There is not garbage tasks. Its tasks that needs to be done. Any understanding that not all tasks that needs to be done in an organisation is fun but needs to be done is a sign of maturity that you want from your employees
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just tried it and the detected timezone for me is called: "Africa/Ceuta (Romance Standard Time) (UTC+01:00) Brussels, Copenhagen, Madrid, Paris" While the assigned delta with GMT is correct, this is confusing as hell because neither Brussels, Copenhaguen, Madrid or Paris are in Africa. You may want to take a look at the TZ info you are using. EDIT: See comment below, this is not an issue.
But Africa/Ceuta time aligns with CE(S)T for longstanding national administrative reasons, I believe. That’s why those other cities are listed, since Africa/Ceuta time is not linked by policy, regulation or legislation with any African time zones… Time is one of those human constructs that isn’t strongly bound to geographic or perhaps even physical reality. Look at the International Date Line or Chinese timezone maps…
I stand corrected, I had skipped the "Europe/Paris" and "Europe/Madrid" options that are present in the long listbox. I had assumed that someone from Paris would be confused by having to select the timezone "Africa/Ceuta".
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#168> so I started getting suspicious if someone actually shared the video of my app with these people because they were solving literally the same problem I once met a guy who had a good idea about an app, something that became fairly mainstream two years later. He asked me to code the app for free and we'd share revenues. When asked what his contribution would be, he offered to "run" the company and otherwise his 50% w…
Not sure if it’s smart to do that if you aren’t entirely sure about what mental state a person could be in. Edit: okay I don’t know why I’m getting downvoted for this but if you think you can just tell someone you’re going to steal their awesome idea in 6 months you better hope their not the type of “crazy” entrepreneur who will cause problems for you or in extreme cases even end up shooting you in the back of the he…
You never know when you're going to get hit by a car either. Or a meteorite.
It's a tempting trap to make decisions - or even worse, paralyze decisions - around the rare outcomes, rather than the common ones.
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seeing you‘re a CTO, I‘m a bit concerned for your staff (if any) if your first reflex is blaming the developer for not trusting their boss.
The person is adversarial, that is clear in their comment. There's literal adversarial quotes like "only do X if good for you, otherwise do the opposite". On the other hand you went straight to googling a random commenters job and attacked that.
nah fam he is right. And he didnt google shit, its literally in the profile.
Re: The saddest "Just Ship It" story ever (2020)
#170There's massive caveat with all of these "and then the story ends because we didn't just ship it :(" stories: sometimes the value of the "app" you're working on is in the technical details that cannot really be "hastened" and you can't "just ship it". Also, and this is something a lot of the managerial class people don't want to hear: Your job as a sw engineer/architect is to resist the "just ship it" pressure from t…
This has to be satire. "Do the wrong thing unless it's for you, in which case ship it earlier", "your job is to make you feel good about what you put in your CV", and other amazing quotes. The only thing of value in the whole comment is saying to not get too attached to any job or worry too much if you get fired, but even the reason given for it is wrong. Incredible to realize I probably work alongside a few people w…
No, everyone lives life in the same "game theory quadrant" whatever that means. People primarily play for themselves including you, some people are just more aware of this fact than others. And also its still always rational to defect.