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Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I’ve recently started reading The Iliad. I find it challenging because characters can be referred to by a variety of different things, even within the same paragraph or two, so it is challenging to follow the conversation or who is being discussed. I’ve taken to asking ChatGPT to summarize chapters and key characters within the chapter after I’ve finished each chapter and it helps give me feedback as to whether what…

I found Malcolm Wilcock, A companion to the Iliad, and Ralph Hexter, A guide to the Odyssey, helpful when I read Homer recently.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I'm dismayed that no one so far has brought up a point that's begging to be made in these sorts of things.

While the point of the article has _some_ merit, there's also another equally valid contrary argument to be made.

Just because a book - however storied & fabled - exists out there, does not mean that you should strive to find some meaning, import or significant cogitable thought when one is not clearly and immediately present.

There's a whole industry of writers that exist to exclusively furnish meaning to the lofty thoughts of some distinguished authors, that that was simply never meant or not present in the authors own words. Sometimes the authors themselves invite and regale in this kind of festive chicanery. Sometimes not. But this sort of thing - far more than useful or warranted - does exist.

In other words some works of writing often fiction but not necessarily are just elaborate exercises in getting away with balderdash.

It pays to remember the enterprise of getting published in the past has not always been equitable as is the case today.

A virtual nobody off the street couldn't expect to even get his manuscript read by a publishing house, much less get published even for a limited run. So if you were already reputed or privileged or had the blessings of a wealthy house of patrons who bankrolled your previous works, you were more widely published and translated.

In other words far too many mediocre works of the past still get top billing, than they rightly deserve largely because no one called out their bullshit.

Yes, sometimes if you don't understand the author that is because the author never had the intentions of being understood in the first place or did not have much to say of value or import, however fleeting or ethereal or unyielding to lucid language, the authors thoughts were.

HN should buck this trend and not join in adulation.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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A useful habit that I've begun to follow with more complicated books—especially when reading them out of personal interest—is to actively avoid taking notes or worrying about background material on a first read. I've recently read and greatly enjoyed a historical fiction novel called "Augustus" written by John Edward Williams and published in 1972. On the surface level, it's about the events of the life of Augustus C…

I will admit that there is some level of joy in finding previously unnoticed angle or joke on re-read. Every few years or so I find one such gem in Pratchett's books. It does make me smile. I don't think I can emjoy Infinite Jest or Ulysses that way.

For non-fiction, I will admit that it is hard for me to take that advice. I am currently going through a historical analysis book, which in itself covers a complicated topic and references tons of source materials, which now I feel almost obligated to add to my reading list. And for harder subjects, it feels like I get lost on the foundational materials if I don't take notes.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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When I saw the article I thought of The Baroque Cycle which I finished a year or two ago and am currently working up the courage to tackle it again. Pleasantly surprised that it was the first series mentioned. I'm thinking of trying it this time on Kindle so I can look some things up without leaving the book.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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post #10

A useful habit that I've begun to follow with more complicated books—especially when reading them out of personal interest—is to actively avoid taking notes or worrying about background material on a first read. I've recently read and greatly enjoyed a historical fiction novel called "Augustus" written by John Edward Williams and published in 1972. On the surface level, it's about the events of the life of Augustus C…

I have no research to back this up, but I think the need to understand everything may result from low self-esteem. Specifically, when not knowing something, people with low self-esteem may feel stupid. To eliminate this feeling, they† focus on learning. It is a good adaptive mechanism, especially compared to maladaptive ones like avoidance behaviors. A potentially better one is learning not to derive self-worth from…

It’s absolutely acceptable to build some of your self worth on what you have worked to learn. It’s a beautiful feedback loop.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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I do like some "hard" fiction like the Stephenson mentioned in TFA, as well as Pynchon and David Foster Wallace, but my mind immediately went to some of the harder technical writing I've enjoyed - The Art of Computer Programming; SICP and other Lisp texts, math books, etc. I once spent a very pleasant short vacation on a beach on Lake Michigan reading Peter Gabriel Bergmann's "Introduction to the Theory of Relativity…

When i started reading the Common Lisp Reference Manual i knew neither English nor Lisp. When i finished it reading it for the first time, i learned English better. I read it again 3 times, then i started learning Lisp.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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The article title reminded me of when I was young and used to read Byte Magazine. Byte used to cover a wide range of topics, and could get quite technical, but the big thing that is vastly different to today is that you would get a monthly digest of articles that were selected by the editors, not by yourself. And I used to read it cover to cover. There was a lot I didn't understand, but also I feel like I gained a wider knowledge than if I only read what I was interested in, and many times the ideas that I was exposed to turned out to be useful much later in life.

Some of them ended up being distractions too, like playing with hardware, or writing a compiler, but it was all very interesting.

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