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Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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It occurred to me recently that tig/tag has probably been passed down through oral tradition from child to child for millennia. It's possible that it's older than homo-sapiens, older than the taming of fire. Millions of years of tradition. And it still being passed on orally, child-to-child.

What is tig/tag?

My parents failed me too on that!

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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post #63

It occurred to me recently that tig/tag has probably been passed down through oral tradition from child to child for millennia. It's possible that it's older than homo-sapiens, older than the taming of fire. Millions of years of tradition. And it still being passed on orally, child-to-child.

What is tig/tag?

I guess https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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post #63

It occurred to me recently that tig/tag has probably been passed down through oral tradition from child to child for millennia. It's possible that it's older than homo-sapiens, older than the taming of fire. Millions of years of tradition. And it still being passed on orally, child-to-child.

What is tig/tag?

The game tag, as in "Tag! You're it!"

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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post #63

It occurred to me recently that tig/tag has probably been passed down through oral tradition from child to child for millennia. It's possible that it's older than homo-sapiens, older than the taming of fire. Millions of years of tradition. And it still being passed on orally, child-to-child.

What is tig/tag?

never heard of it as well. Maybe he means the game of "tag"?

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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> slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat. Wait, what? Where did they get human fat from…?

Australians practiced ritualized cannibalism and infanticide as late as XIX century.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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I'm from a Jewish family that has been unable to pass down its rituals over the past few generations. My great-grandparents were observant on both sides. I have no religion or inherited rituals to speak of. So how does a ritual get successfully passed down for something like 500 generations? What must the observer get from it that motivated them so strongly to pass it along with the necessary vigor? Was it something…

> What must the observer get from it

The compulsion to raise and seek answers for questions like this has a lot to do with it.

Over the last couple centuries, increasingly much of the world has been inducted into a culture that looks at life from the perspective of an individual, looks at that individual's life through the lens of economy and benefit, and invites the individual to approach that life as some engineer seeking optimization.

For many, this way of seeing the world as economic individuals is even projected onto the people of elsewhere and elsewhen, taking for granted that they must have been doing the same thing whether they knew it or not.

A different perspective sees ritual and tradition as the blood and flesh of a community or legacy, and sees the community and legacy that lives for hundreds or thousands of years as the far more important thing than the individual that arrives and leaves over the pittance of just a few decades.

For a community, carrying forward a ritual is like breathing, and an individual who fully understands themselves as a fleeting little lung cell in this long-lasting community implicitly fulfills their role of perpetuating the community's life by practicing the ritual.

But what's interesting is that asking questions framed like yours is itself a kind of ritual, perpetuating a different (and much more recently birthed) community, and there are countless other rituals of "modernity" that we implicitly peform. These rituals are so natural to us that we barely even recognize them as something outside of us... the same, most likely, your great-grandparents with theirs.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you just found out the roots of every religion.

Yup. The Epic of Gilgamesh (c. 18th century BC) caused quite a lot of controversy when it was translated in 1870 due to its striking similarity to many parts of the Hebrew Bible (which was written MUCH later). Similar controversies erupted over the stories of Osiris (c. 25th century BC). By the 10th century BC, almost all of the story themes that we ascribe to more modern authorship had already been written.

The similarity between the EoG and Genesis flood stories can probably be laid to the fact that the first major human societies were built around flood plains of rivers in regions that have otherwise stable climates. When your society spends centuries in that situation, floods are the single most important natural event that happens to you. If would be shocking if they didn't feature prominently in your stories.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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> "Australia kept the memory of its first peoples alive thanks to a powerful oral tradition that enabled it to be passed on," Delannoy said. > "However in our societies, memory has changed since we switched to the written word, and we have lost this sense." I sort of think that this is a "what's water?" thing, because a lot of our ancient prehistorical traditions and practices that continued into the historical era a…

Yeah. I can think of one ritual that's probably even older: burying the dead.

However what interesting about this tradition is the degree of specificity that was preserved with this ritual (e.g. stick of same type of wood, coated with fat, put in a small fire to break), none of which has any real practical purpose.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is tig/tag?

I guess https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)

My three-year-old daughter plays this with cat. It's a cross-species thing that is possibly part of mammalian brain development in origin.

The cat is less than one year old. Our 17 year old cat does not engage in this at all and hisses at the kitten for even trying to start a game of tag. This makes me wonder if that origin is more related to predator/prey.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Very cool :-). I don't know that much about the natives of Australia and their history, I wonder how many of these oral traditions have been written down. An immediate google gave me this document, seems interesting at a glance: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/159354575.pdf

When I lived on the west coast a native friend of mine spoke of how some elders no longer wanted stories to be written down. They have seen how their oral stories get documented, effectively transforming them from a living secret into a fixed text in a dead book. The book then goes on a shelf, fodder for the endless stream of anthropology classes taught ay universities in distant cities. More people read the story in the book than ever come to listen to the story in person. After a few decades of this pattern, young anthologists are now hearing stories and asking questions about why the story today is possibly slightly different than what was written down a decade prior. There is an old stereotype of western Indians believing that cameras could capture one's soul. That is something to think about when we "document" an oral tradition.
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