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Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Psychology as well is built on a house of cards.

I have a PhD in physics and even physics itself is in a poor state, yet I totally get why all the other sciences envy physics: they're even worse

I think pure math might be better off.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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I’m surprised by how tenuous the link is between the cave find and the archival find. Is the bar really that low for claims in archaeological papers or am I missing something? It’s a compelling story, but surely Occam’s razor would conclude that poking sticks into dead animals and fire pits is just what people have done for thousands of years? Where’s the evidence that there was chanting and a healing ceremony? Edit:…

"Each one was found in a separate fireplace around the size of the palm of a hand—far too small to have been used for heat or cooking meat. The slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat." That's rather more than circumstantial evidence. Granted the ritual might have changed a bit over 12,000 odd years but where else have you seen peo…

It’s all circumstantial evidence because that’s all we get.

Circumstantial evidence is not “weak evidence”, it is evidence concerning the circumstances.

For instance, DNA is circumstantial evidence. It’s evidence that can imply a connection between events, but it is not proof of such a connection. Fingerprints: circumstantial. Call logs: often circumstantial.

The opposite of circumstantial evidence is direct evidence. Direct evidence is rarer and often not as useful. Direct evidence would be an actual witness to the event. To call back to prior examples:

Fingerprints are direct evidence someone touched something. But they are circumstantial evidence they then used that object in commission of a crime.

Here, the direct evidence is that things were burned and sticks were sharpened. The circumstances in which they were found implies the rest.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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I’m surprised by how tenuous the link is between the cave find and the archival find. Is the bar really that low for claims in archaeological papers or am I missing something? It’s a compelling story, but surely Occam’s razor would conclude that poking sticks into dead animals and fire pits is just what people have done for thousands of years? Where’s the evidence that there was chanting and a healing ceremony? Edit:…

Have you ever watched US State Department press briefings, and paid close attention to how they use language (ie: "X is linked to Y")? Or, heard the public subsequently discussing what was said in them (say, right here on HN)?

Humans are a story based species...always have been always will be. Stories are our weak spot, the ultimate attack/control vector.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Fascinating. Growing up in a Hindu household, a lot of our festivals involve listening to origin stories of the customs. A lot of those have of course been glorified to add an element of holiness, but it's possible they are actually derived from some small incident happened in the past. Like a butterfly effect, a small insignificant event leading to a major celebration for billion people continued over centuries

I think you just found out the roots of every religion.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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I’m surprised by how tenuous the link is between the cave find and the archival find. Is the bar really that low for claims in archaeological papers or am I missing something? It’s a compelling story, but surely Occam’s razor would conclude that poking sticks into dead animals and fire pits is just what people have done for thousands of years? Where’s the evidence that there was chanting and a healing ceremony? Edit:…

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It’s such a weird pissing contest because if you’re alive today that means your ancestors survived to produce you and that’s saying something as most groups and cultures, etc have not survived to the present day. So just surviving as a group for thousands of years is quite the accomplishment. That’s good enough.

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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I’m surprised by how tenuous the link is between the cave find and the archival find. Is the bar really that low for claims in archaeological papers or am I missing something? It’s a compelling story, but surely Occam’s razor would conclude that poking sticks into dead animals and fire pits is just what people have done for thousands of years? Where’s the evidence that there was chanting and a healing ceremony? Edit:…

"Each one was found in a separate fireplace around the size of the palm of a hand—far too small to have been used for heat or cooking meat. The slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat." That's rather more than circumstantial evidence. Granted the ritual might have changed a bit over 12,000 odd years but where else have you seen peo…

Archaeology is almost exclusively circumstantial evidence...

Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows

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Fascinating. Growing up in a Hindu household, a lot of our festivals involve listening to origin stories of the customs. A lot of those have of course been glorified to add an element of holiness, but it's possible they are actually derived from some small incident happened in the past. Like a butterfly effect, a small insignificant event leading to a major celebration for billion people continued over centuries

I think you just found out the roots of every religion.

Every ideology would be a more accurate story, though perhaps less satisfying.
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